Boycott!

[Belen]

Originally Posted by barsoomcore

Am I the only one who thinks it's funny to hear a restaurant called Cracker Barrel getting called on discriminatory hiring practices?

Kraft foods makes cracker barrel cheeses and crackers. I do not think that the name has any racial meaning.

[FickleGM]

Originally Posted by Belen

Kraft foods makes cracker barrel cheeses and crackers. I do not think that the name has any racial meaning.

Yeah, it's white-folk food.

[Kwyjibo]

Originally Posted by FickleGM

Yeah, it's white-folk food.

Catfish, turnip greens & okra are white folk food eh?

[FickleGM]

Originally Posted by Krieg's Spiel

Catfish, turnip greens & okra are white folk food eh?

Must be. It's in the name.

[francisca]

Originally Posted by Eighth Deadly Sin

Oh, my opinion of Mal-Wart will never change. They ruined the local business economy of too many places, including the area I grew up in for me to ever believe they really give a flying fuck about anything but the almighty dollar.

Word. I don't shop at WalMart. However, I don't consider myself a revolutionary, not do I expect to see the walls of the stores cast asunder due to my lack of spending there. I just don't like their business practices.

Originally Posted by barsoomcore

Am I the only one who thinks it's funny to hear a restaurant called Cracker Barrel getting called on discriminatory hiring practices?

That's some damn funny shit, right there.

I have pretty much removed Microsoft from my life. I don't like the way they conduct their business and I don't think they've been healthy for the software industry. And I've pretty much boycotted Scientologists and their work -- no more Tom Cruise movies or John Travolta movies. I don't feel like I'm missing much, there.

Jebus Mother Mary and the Orphans! I think I know where the other half of my brain went!

Originally Posted by Krieg's Spiel

Catfish, turnip greens & okra are white folk food eh?

No. It's southern. North of Dixieland, it's Soul Food to some.

Personally, I've not had good dining experiences at Cracker Barrel. Either the food was cold, didn't taste good, or the service has sucked. Hence, I don't go there any more.

[Kwyjibo]

Originally Posted by Beer Run

No. It's southern. North of Dixieland, it's Soul Food to some.

Oh really? I had no idea.

[francisca]

Originally Posted by Krieg's Spiel

Oh really? I had no idea.

Please pick the response which you find most favorable:

A) Yeah, the "literal overdrive" lever is stuck today. Mind giving me a kick in the head to see if it will jar loose?

B) BLOW. ME.

C) That answer wasn't so much for you as the Cracker from Wisconsin and others. (mmmm.....cheese and crackers....)

[barsoomcore]

Originally Posted by Belen

Kraft foods makes cracker barrel cheeses and crackers. I do not think that the name has any racial meaning.

I am thrilled to know your opinion on the matter.

[Kwyjibo]

Cracker Barrel to offer urban alternative

Cracker Barrel, the famously old country store based in Lebanon, Tennessee, announced they will be shifting their focus away from the tried and true standard to develop a more modern, hip, urban alternative.


Cracker Barrels are known to maintain hour-long waits even when there are two restaurants placed at the same exit off the interstate, each next to a Waffle House. Cracker Barrels are a smashing success wherever they are established. In addition to country cooking, they offer merchandise for sale in their “Old Country Store,” such as country knick-knacks, Christmas ornaments, candies, and apparel. Sale of this merchandise is very lucrative.


Urban planners have long desired to have some sort of draw to blighted downtown areas, and an urbanized Cracker Barrel might just be the answer, according to Gemini Kriquet, an urban planner known for organizing urban environments to a plan. “A Cracker Barrel, in its chic, modern form, might just get those travelers off the interstate and into urban areas they might normally not visit. And in a way that aquariums and halls of fame don’t,” she explained.


Cracker Barrel, known to have a double meaning as to what’s inside, will change the name for its urban iteration. The new restaurants will be called Le Petard Baril. Instead of country fare, the stores will be designed by Philippe Starck to display an ultra modern, ultra hip decor.


The country store concept will remain, with the giftshop selling decorative deadbolts, window bars, and topiaries. Additionally, the store will carry a full line of bon-bons, Evian waters, and perrier.


The menu will be updated with most items translated to French and served with less gravy and fewer grits. Vegetables will be served steamed, with sourdough loaves instead of biscuits or cornbread. Very few meats will be fried, and tofu will be added as a meat alternative in most cases.


Knoxville, Memphis, and Nashville are all slated to be test markets. However, the new restaurant concept is still in the early design phases. The corporation hopes to have one open by fall of next year.

[barsoomcore]

That Gemini Kriquet, she knows what's what.

[iHobo]

Originally Posted by FickleGM

Dude's not dead...

No, but there was that sex change operation.

[FickleGM]

Originally Posted by Beer Run

Please pick the response which you find most favorable:

A) Yeah, the "literal overdrive" lever is stuck today. Mind giving me a kick in the head to see if it will jar loose?

B) BLOW. ME.

C) That answer wasn't so much for you as the Cracker from Wisconsin and others. (mmmm.....cheese and crackers....)

I'll take cheese and crackers for 100, Alex.

[Kwyjibo]

Originally Posted by FickleGM

I'll take cheese and crackers for 100, Alex.

MMMmmm Cheese...

[Lollia Bellona]

Originally Posted by Alenda

Huh, I never had this happen. Nor have I ever heard Christian music at any Chick-Fil-A I ever went to. Wouldn't that really depend on the individual owner of the store? (I ask naively)

I think it does depend on the store owner, but it seems to me like there's a move in general for a more overtly "Christian" atmosphere.

Their fries are just still too damn tasty to give up.

[Roudi]

I'm pretty picky about my clothes. Not who makes them, but where they are made. I won't buy anything unless it's tag lists it as Made In Canada, USA, or China (I'd rather not buy from China, but it's so damn prevalent and not nearly as third-world as Bangladesh or Myanmar). It's not as if my own purchases have any effect on whether other companies use child labour and other fun practices.

[diaglo]

Originally Posted by Roudi

not nearly as third-world as Bangladesh or Burma).

fify.

[TheLe]

Originally Posted by diaglo

he is to me.
fucker tried to send me a free pdf for taking part in some thread.
fuck that shit.
i don't do pdfs.

I know, right? He is such an ass!

LoL. It's cool man. I feel your pain. I'll keep sending you free pdf books until I hear those three magic words that I loved to hear during my dating years -- "I Give Up."

In any case, I thought I'd go ahead and make my first post on these forums, and I'm very happy to tell you that I keep track of all my banners.

A little history lesson here -- in the Enworld days, here were the banners that royally upset people:











This did indeed cause an uproar at Enworld. People were particularly upset by the last two banners for some strange reason. Some of my favorite comments from other posters:
1) "What does women have to do with the product"
2) "I'm insulted that they think sexy pictures will help sell products to gamers!"
2) "If they have to advertise like this, the product must suck".

I really didn't respond much to the negative posts, which got a lot of attention, and was spearheaded by a woman from Green Ronin and another well known self publisher. Honestly, my answers to their comments should have been:
1) "Women have nothing to do with the product, but it sure did catch your eye"
2) "It helps a little, but all of your complaining about it helps a lot more"
3) "The advertisements have nothing to do with my products sucking. My products suck for a completely different reason."

Yes, that is what I should have said. But instead, I took the high moral ground and conceded to their demands. I took down those "sexist" banners and replaced them with these the next day:











I am happy to say that the replacement banners received absolutely no negative comments. As a matte of fact,the bo-staff banner got an surprising number of positive comments.

`The Le Games, We Enhance Worlds
on the web at http://www.TheLeGames.com

[BiggusGeekus]

Originally Posted by TheLe

I really didn't respond much to the negative posts, which got a lot of attention, and was spearheaded by a woman from Green Ronin and another well known self publisher.

Those comments coming, incidentally, about two months after Paizo Publishing put a half-naked chick on front of Dragon. Why Seattle-based Green Ronin did not direct criticism to a company down the street with employees that they were on a first-name basis with as opposed to Le is a complete and total mystery. Pazio sells tens of thousands of products a month, while Le uses the internet connection from his local library and even then he has to beat up ten-year-old kids for their library cards to even do that much.

[Anti-Sean]

Originally Posted by TheLe

PDFs, schmeeDFs, can you send me the woman in that banner ad, please? okthanxbai!

[Dark Jezter]

First off, welcome to the boards, TheLe!

Originally Posted by TheLe

This did indeed cause an uproar at Enworld. People were particularly upset by the last two banners for some strange reason.

Oh yeah, I remember a few people got upset by the one of the chick holding a finger to her lips. Saying it implied oral sex.

Some of my favorite comments from other posters:
1) "What does women have to do with the product"
2) "I'm insulted that they think sexy pictures will help sell products to gamers!"
2) "If they have to advertise like this, the product must suck".

I sincerely hope that these people never watch an NFL game, because things like cheerleaders and beer commercials featuring hot girls would probably cause them to collapse from sheer horror.

I really didn't respond much to the negative posts, which got a lot of attention, and was spearheaded by a woman from Green Ronin and another well known self publisher.

Yeah, the lady from Green Ronin seemed to be the most vocal opponent of the ads. But a couple of folks who worked for another well-known self publisher also raised a stink over the ads. I won't buy anything from their company either.

Honestly, my answers to their comments should have been:
1) "Women have nothing to do with the product, but it sure did catch your eye"
2) "It helps a little, but all of your complaining about it helps a lot more"
3) "The advertisements have nothing to do with my products sucking. My products suck for a completely different reason."

You're far more diplomatic than I am. I wanted to say "Shit, lady. Just because you're not hot enough to be in those ads doesn't mean you have to ruin everybody else's enjoyment." But doing so probably would have resulted in me being banned from EN World.

Yes, that is what I should have said. But instead, I took the high moral ground and conceded to their demands. I took down those "sexist" banners and replaced them with these the next day:

Personally, I would have kept the ads going just to show that I won't be pushed around by a bunch of humorless prudes. But I do have to admit that the half-naked men was a very clever way of sticking it to your opponents.

[TheLe]

Originally Posted by BiggusGeekus

Those comments coming, incidentally, about two months after Paizo Publishing put a half-naked chick on front of Dragon. Why Seattle-based Green Ronin did not direct criticism to a company down the street with employees that they were on a first-name basis with as opposed to Le is a complete and total mystery. Pazio sells tens of thousands of products a month, while Le uses the internet connection from his local library and even then he has to beat up ten-year-old kids for their library cards to even do that much.

I have a correction. The person who started the whole thing was "Nicole Lindross". I thought she was part of Green Ronin, but now I am unsure if she has a connection to them at all. I apologize for the mistake.

She blogged about it at:
http://www.nikchick.com/2006/02/tits...vertising.html

I find the sample image she posts interesting -- the image she has no problems with. From what I understand, she is fine with a sexist picture as long as the setting itself is sexist, right?

~Le

[Anti-Sean]

Originally Posted by Dark Jezter

Oh yeah, I remember a few people got upset by the one of the chick holding a finger to her lips. Saying it implied oral sex.

In their defense, though, I can see getting angry if oral sex is implied, but then not received.

[DangerGirl!]

I've gotta say - I participated in the TheLe debacle. However, my main complaint was that they didn't seem very "grandma friendly." I also didn't think the ads with the men were very "grandma friendly."

I don't really give a crap because they weren't overly offensive to me. I was just concerned that they didn't "mesh" with the rules at ENW. But, I'm not the decider at ENW. So - whatevs.

TheLe - you've got an awesome sense of humor.

[Dark Jezter]

Originally Posted by TheLe

I have a correction. The person who started the whole thing was "Nicole Lindross". I thought she was part of Green Ronin, but now I am unsure if she has a connection to them at all. I apologize for the mistake.

I definitely remember that somebody from Green Ronin (or at least somebody who contributed to Mutants & Masterminds) was one of the most vocal of the prudes. They bragged about working on Mutants & Mastermind in their signature.

She blogged about it at:
http://www.nikchick.com/2006/02/tits...vertising.html

I find the sample image she posts interesting -- the image she has no problems with. From what I understand, she is fine with a sexist picture as long as the setting itself is sexist, right?

If she's offended by T&A then she picked the wrong industry to work in. T&A advertising, cheesecake, and booth babes have been a part of the role-playing industry since the beginning. And since the vast majority of gamers are males who like to look at half-naked women, I don't see those things going away anytime soon.

[BiggusGeekus]

Originally Posted by TheLe

I have a correction. The person who started the whole thing was "Nicole Lindross". I thought she was part of Green Ronin, but now I am unsure if she has a connection to them at all. I apologize for the mistake.

She blogged about it at:
http://www.nikchick.com/2006/02/tits...vertising.html

I find the sample image she posts interesting -- the image she has no problems with. From what I understand, she is fine with a sexist picture as long as the setting itself is sexist, right?

~Le

I note that none of the above is a denial that Le beats up 10-year-old kids to get their library cards for internet access.

[FickleGM]

Yes, Nicole Lindroos is from Green Ronin. She obviously doesn't enjoy the same visuals that I do, but I have no problem with her.

She can be pretty vocal at times, but she shares my opinion of Nisarg, so it's a wash. I frequent the True20 boards and she's been helpful. I like her.

Of course, it probably comes as no surprise that I am understanding of both sides of the argument, so hold neither opinion negatively.

I'll be straddling my fence if you need me.

[Kwyjibo]

Originally Posted by Dark Jezter

I sincerely hope that these people never watch an NFL game, because things like cheerleaders and beer commercials featuring hot girls would probably cause them to collapse from sheer horror.

I don't think you need to worry about that.

[Eighth Deadly Sin]

Originally Posted by TheLe

I have a correction. The person who started the whole thing was "Nicole Lindross". I thought she was part of Green Ronin, but now I am unsure if she has a connection to them at all. I apologize for the mistake.

Nicole is part of GR, she's married to Chris Pramas, and they are the heads of the company.

I stayed out of the debate, but enjoyed watching it play out. I like Nicole, think she's usually pretty level headed, and I enjoy talking with her at GenCon every year. But, IMHO, she was in the wrong and The was in the right on this issue.

[Holy Bovine]

First - welcome to The Le! Really glad to see you posting on CM.

Second I must be the only one who thought there was nothing sexual about the old banner ads. They had a pretty girl on them without anything showing from the next down (except for one that I don't remember seeing until this thread). I felt the original thread was bizarre (and Nikchick even more bizarre) as there wasn't anything offensive about the ads beyond them having a head shot of a pretty girl. Nice to see Nikchick's hypocripsy shining through as she never made any kind of stick about the much more revealing male model ads. What a stupid bitch.

[Rusty Halo]

Originally Posted by TheLe

I have a correction. The person who started the whole thing was "Nicole Lindross". From what I understand, she is fine with a sexist picture as long as the setting itself is sexist, right?

Originally Posted by Dark Jezter

I remember that somebody from Green Ronin (or somebody who contributed to Mutants & Masterminds) was one of the most vocal of the prudes. If she's offended by T&A then she picked the wrong industry to work in. T&A advertising, cheesecake, and booth babes have been a part of the role-playing industry since the beginning.

Well, and there's some weird, Twilight Zone-esque disconnect in objecting to cheesecake when you write for a superhero-roleplaying genre. Comic book protaganists have been running around in skin-tight spandex and cleavage-hugging Wonder Bras for even longer than there's been a bikini-chainmail-and-buff-barbarian meme in RPGs!


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