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    Social history of "homophobia"

    Copypasted from a memory-holed post by "Arthur Frayn." Needless to say, Twitter hastily scrubbed this post because it's outside the pale of what our fascist, totalitarian society wants to admit exists, but screengrabs of it have gone viral and it can readily be found on Voat, Gab.ai and elsewhere. I'll point out that after the diaspora from here to Facebook, I had one of the few actual, legitimate "friends" from this site cut me off entirely in a huff merely because I expressed some mild skepticism about the aims of the LBGT movement as a political movement.Without further comment:

    "Nobody gave a flying fuck about homosexuality one way or the other until the left politicized it and tried to use it as a moral and political bludgeon. You're a tiny and insignificant portion of the population, the world does not revolve around your stupid fucking sexual identity. You idiots have created an army of enemies where before there had been none, good job.

    "Even just 5 years ago, I was totally indifferent. I didn't care one way or the other, like a lot of people. But now, after years of hysterics, pearl clutching, demonizing, and obnoxious political theatrics, I'm totally opposed to it. I'll literally sign off on outlawing it now. Fuck off. I'll cite the astronomical CDC stats on gays and sexually transmitted disease. You're basically walking petri dishes, so there is clearly a legitimate public interest in prohibiting it. It's basically a public health issue. And I'm just scratching the surface. You're deluded if you think the only criticism we can make of homosexuality is religious.

    "People become a lot more amenable to this view when you start tying homosexuality to communism, open borders, the destruction of the family or a politics that ignores the financial and social impossibility of having children. They don't have to be religious at all to come around to this view. Surprise!

    "Do you realize how pathetic you sound? The ridiculous navel gazing and whinging about your little degenerate bourgeois bullshit while half the country sinks into despair because they have no future? Goldman Sachs showering pride parades with corporate money because they want you to keep voting for open border cheap labor mass immigration after 40 years of wage stagnation. It's fucking nauseating and moronic. But none of this ever occurred to you because you're the star of your own Lifetime movie and we're just the extras or the villains.

    "So you go right ahead and keep trying to shame us as 'bigots' for not making your stupid sexual choices the center of our existence and cultural/political life, because all it does is get people to start considering legitimate reasons to prohibit homosexuality, and they do exist. Find that out the hard way.

    "Nobody is putting you on trial, you idiot. You put us on trial because you let the neoliberal left turn you into political props, an ideological fad for the cool kid fashion statement left, and now we're telling you to fuck off. Let me know when you get run out of a job for being a homosexual, or hit with a bike lock by some lunatic while the mass media cheers and snickers, or put away for 10 years after defending yourself from assault while the police look on and do nothing because they were ordered to so that the media could paint you as a monster and justify deplatforming or waging lawfare against you. Tell me more about how you're on trial and cry because somebody called you a degenerate once.

    "Oh and by the way, Matthew Shepard wasn't killed by cowboy frat jock nazi homophobes, he was killed by other gays. It was over drugs. And since you, like the majority of homosexuals, probably didn't know that, let me ask you who is really on trial here and has been the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    "Nobody gave a flying fuck about homosexuality one way or the other until the left politicized it and tried to use it as a moral and political bludgeon."
    Well it kind of fails in it's first statement, considering homosexuals were stoned in Biblical times, didn't get decriminalised until the 1960's in the UK. For something that nobody gave a flying fuck about they seem to have had a lot of laws against it from the beginning of recorded history.

    The you have contradictory stuff like this....

    "Goldman Sachs showering pride parades with corporate money because they want you to keep voting for open border cheap labor mass immigration after 40 years of wage stagnation."
    which kind of doesn't follow the earlier statement.

    "You're a tiny and insignificant portion of the population"
    So why pander to them to get their vote if it is insignificant? And how is open borders in anyway related to pride parades, it's not like Mexico is full of homosexuals desperate to get in.
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    No, it doesn't. Who cares what people did in Biblical times, and what does that have to do with Western Civilization? Everyone knows that homosexuals were largely ignored and left alone unless they made a nuisance of themselves in some way and that's when the laws were brought to bear against them (Oscar Wilde being a notable example.)

    The rest of that stuff is equally kind of non sequitarish, because I suspect everyone knows that Leftism is a suite of issues that are chased in tandem by the same groups of loosely allied special interests. Pairing open borders with the LBGT agenda isn't about bringing Mexican homosexuals into America (although it could well be about bringing homosexual Paki pedophiles into the UK, I suppose), it's about signaling to not only the LBGT lobby but also their numerous, various allies that they're willing to scratch each others' backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    No, it doesn't. Who cares what people did in Biblical times, and what does that have to do with Western Civilization? Everyone knows that homosexuals were largely ignored and left alone unless they made a nuisance of themselves in some way and that's when the laws were brought to bear against them (Oscar Wilde being a notable example.)

    The rest of that stuff is equally kind of non sequitarish, because I suspect everyone knows that Leftism is a suite of issues that are chased in tandem by the same groups of loosely allied special interests. Pairing open borders with the LBGT agenda isn't about bringing Mexican homosexuals into America (although it could well be about bringing homosexual Paki pedophiles into the UK, I suppose), it's about signaling to not only the LBGT lobby but also their numerous, various allies that they're willing to scratch each others' backs.
    Wow, you're so full of shit. It's not historical bias. It's a change that has been happening for decades, and because the idiot who wrote it isn't aware of that doesn't mean he's right. I have no fucking clue what he's talking about with this connecting LGBTQA issues with liberalism, it's completely bullshit. There are people both conservative and liberal who agree that LGBTQA people deserve to be treated the same as everyone else. Sure, liberals are more likely to think this way, but there are many people who are fiscally conservative who want equal rights for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    Wow, you're so full of shit. It's not historical bias. It's a change that has been happening for decades, and because the idiot who wrote it isn't aware of that doesn't mean he's right. I have no fucking clue what he's talking about with this connecting LGBTQA issues with liberalism, it's completely bullshit. There are people both conservative and liberal who agree that LGBTQA people deserve to be treated the same as everyone else. Sure, liberals are more likely to think this way, but there are many people who are fiscally conservative who want equal rights for everyone.
    You're either a liar or you're painfully and probably willfully ignorant. With everything you said, not just the gist of it, down to the idea that it's about "be[ing] treated the same as everyone else" to the various extraneous and superfluous letters you keep adding to the acronym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    You're either a liar or you're painfully and probably willfully ignorant. With everything you said, not just the gist of it, down to the idea that it's about "be[ing] treated the same as everyone else" to the various extraneous and superfluous letters you keep adding to the acronym.
    No, I'm not ignorant. I'm probably much better connected to the LGBTQA community than you are, while not being part of that community. Your putting your head in the sand regarding the true nature of the movement doesn't make it any less true. I do agree that the majority of people both in the community and who support the community are liberal, it is not true that the community is in and of itself liberal. And the idea that homophobia is something that just started in the last few years is so fucking wrong as to be ridiculous. People have been killed for being seen as gay. People have been killed for being seen as trans. This has been happening for millennia, and continues to happen. The better question is where the fuck you get the idea that anything else is true. The one apparently willfully ignorant is you.

    By the way, the acronym used is intended for inclusiveness of those who don't follow the "societal norm" regarding sexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    No, it doesn't. Who cares what people did in Biblical times
    It becomes important when someone says a lie like the one you quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    "Nobody gave a flying fuck about homosexuality one way or the other until the left politicized it and tried to use it as a moral and political bludgeon.
    People did care about homosexually before the left did. And homosexuals were the ones who were being bludgeonned because some people cared about it.

    and what does that have to do with Western Civilization?
    Moving the goal post right in the first sentence. We can see you're full of shit right off the bat.

    So, since you said you frequent the Chateau Heartiste website, do you condomn the site founder pro-pedophilia stance? "From famed commenter Gannon, on my post Seven New Deadly Sins Quiz:I agree with this comment. It is a fact of life that young teenage girls who have developed secondary sexual characteristics are desired by men of all ages, even 90 year olds. And these exquisite nymphets, in turn, desire older men for their power. These desires are natural, and frightening to the keepers of the order. They provoke the envy of the left behind, and so are condemned.
    Would it shock to know that real love, genuine and sincere love, can spring forth from a relationship where lust is the motivator? To wit: Monica Lewinsky loved Bill Clinton, that is true. Look at the way she gazed at him with adoring eyes. But do you want to know something? I think it is likely he loved her in return. Moreso than he loved Hillary at any rate. It went beyond a one night fling. Theirs was a romance.
    A man would throw everything away for two minutes with that ass wobble."

    What is it with fascists and pedophilia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagpuss View Post
    Well it kind of fails in it's first statement, considering homosexuals were stoned in Biblical times, didn't get decriminalised until the 1960's in the UK. For something that nobody gave a flying fuck about they seem to have had a lot of laws against it from the beginning of recorded history.
    Indeed.

    When we hear a story about some bakery in the US denying to make a cake for a gay couple, we might get all hot and bothered about how backwards idiotic these people are (and maybe the right among us secretly are happy for this sign of resistance against liberal ideas), the truth is even that is a sign of the victory of the campaign for acceptance of homosexuals.
    A few decades earlier, there would probably not have been any gay couple even daring to order a cake for such an occassion, because it could only backfire on them. In some countries, this could potentially lead to an investigation in whether they engage in illegal homosexual practices, and the uproar would be all against them.

    Sometimes, the liberals forget that they actually won a lot. Of course, as was said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, so they can't just lean back and stop acting.

    That is probably also a reason why a revisionist and ignorant quote as provided by iHobo will fall mostly on deaf ears. Some gays actually remember how it used to be, or know how it still is in some countries, so they have absolutely no reason to believe that their struggle for acceptance was harmful for them. Objectively, their situation has improved considerably, in some cases the legal situation for them basically having been reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    Everyone knows that homosexuals were largely ignored and left alone unless they made a nuisance of themselves
    IIRC your previous flouncing was for religious reasons. You know bearing false witness is a sin, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHobo View Post
    Who cares what people did in Biblical times, and what does that have to do with Western Civilization?
    You must be joking right?

    2.18 billion Christians (75% of the US population identifies as Christian)
    1.8 billion Muslims
    6.5 million Jews

    and that's not even taking into account how the Biblical laws have influenced even current secular societies. You think Georgia recent "heartbeat" law has nothing to do with the pro-life lobby and Christian teachings?
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    Damn you and your perfectly valid criticism!

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