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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    In your head, was it a brutal slam?
    Yeah. It was. A reasonable person should know "These are your people - a bunch of vegan yogurt sprout eating motherfuckers who hate America." is something only a moron would write. But no one should ever accuse you of being reasonable.

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorian View Post
    Yeah. It was. A reasonable person should know "These are your people - a bunch of vegan yogurt sprout eating motherfuckers who hate America." is something only a moron would write. But no one should ever accuse you of being reasonable.
    I'm not surprised that you're proud of a whining "but you didn't also say a mean thing about 3cat this time," and are, as usual, unaware that I've often said I disagree with 3cat and view him as the right-version of Xyxox. But, then, I am rather proud that you articulated your own point, this time, instead of referring to a 3-hour video or a book of someone else saying what you've come to believe but can't express. Really, I think this is progress! A bit muted by you thinking 3kat is a good insult, of course. I mean, Rush Limbaugh does that shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    These are your people - a bunch of vegan yogurt sprout eating motherfuckers who hate America.
    So, since punctuation matters, did you mean the yogurt is vegan, and/or there is a kind of vegan sprout of a yogurt type, or??

    Though since most knitters/fiber-folk really like wool, they're not terribly likely to be vegan.

    Do vegans even consume fermented products? I mean, yeasts are fungi and I'm sure thereby fair game, but I suppose you could consider lactobacilla as 'animals' of a sort. Where is PETA when lactobacilla are being thoughtlessly murdered by the thousands whenever yogurt or sauerkraut is consumed!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palaralae View Post
    So, since punctuation matters, did you mean the yogurt is vegan, and/or there is a kind of vegan sprout of a yogurt type, or??

    Though since most knitters/fiber-folk really like wool, they're not terribly likely to be vegan.

    Do vegans even consume fermented products? I mean, yeasts are fungi and I'm sure thereby fair game, but I suppose you could consider lactobacilla as 'animals' of a sort. Where is PETA when lactobacilla are being thoughtlessly murdered by the thousands whenever yogurt or sauerkraut is consumed!?!
    You're confusing vegans with PETA idiots. Not the same thing. I know plenty of vegans that don't have a problem with things like wool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    You're confusing vegans with PETA idiots. Not the same thing. I know plenty of vegans that don't have a problem with things like wool.
    Then they aren't vegans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guyjin View Post
    Then they aren't vegans.
    Ovo-lacto-vegitarian?

    Scott: Anyone can be vegan.
    Todd: Ovo-lacto-vegetarian, maybe.
    Scott: Ovo-what?
    Todd: I partake not in the meat, nor the breastmilk, nor the ovum of any creature with a face.
    Envy: Short answer: Being vegan just makes you better than most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyjin View Post
    Then they aren't vegans.
    Oh yes, you should define what other people are, despite having nothing to do with that thing yourself. That makes perfect sense!

    Here, I will play along. Guyjin, you're a vegan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyjin View Post
    Then they aren't vegans.
    How the fuck is that? Let me hear your definition of vegan that makes it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    How the fuck is that? Let me hear your definition of vegan that makes it so.
    They purportedly consume no animal products of any kind. No meat, no milk, no eggs, no wool, no leather, no silk. No reason for living.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    You're confusing vegans with PETA idiots. Not the same thing. I know plenty of vegans that don't have a problem with things like wool.
    There's a pretty good overlap, most PETA types have problems with the "enslavement" of animals for any purpose, so factory-farming would be pretty high on their list of Shitty Things (which is a fair assessment), so I doubt PETA types would consume meat, milk products or eggs (at least from battery farms). These are, after all, folks that think that animals are better off dead than living under the hand of man, and they favor some pretty whacked-out propaganda of amazing levels of falsitude.
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    So half of you do not know what vegan is. Damn, you are less educated than I feared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yablo View Post
    So half of you do not know what vegan is. Damn, you are less educated than I feared.
    Vegans are sickly people who are constantly hungry.

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    So, just for kicks and giggles, I decided to go look at what PETA has to say about wool. Here's just a few dubitably-worded and outright false nuggets of whackadoodle.

    Many people believe that shearing sheep helps animals who might otherwise be burdened with too much wool, but without human interference, sheep grow just enough wool to protect themselves from temperature extremes.
    Mmmkay. Depending on what you mean by "human interference", which could mean selective breeding (going back tens of thousands of years) or shearing. The only 'sheep' that are truly without any human interference are wild species like the mouflon, bighorn, or Dall sheep. And they don't technically even grow wool. All other current breeds of sheep that don't roo/molt will keep growing wool until the weight/hindrance or heat of the accumulated wool kills them. You *have* to shear unless you want dead (and long suffering of being uncomfortable beforehand) sheep. I once went to take a look at some Jacob sheep an old fella was selling when I was still doing the Jacob sheep thing, and he had been unable to shear them for at least a couple years. The poor damn things looked like small, moving mountains of wool.

    Wool was once obtained by plucking it from sheep during their molting seasons. Breeding for continuous fleece growth began after the invention of shears.
    True on the first sentence; very few breeds have what is called the 'rooing' gene, those are in primitive, Nordic, short-tailed breeds like the Shetlands and Icelandics that I have, and even then, individuals with that gene are becoming increasingly rare since it seems to be being bred out. On the second sentence, blatantly false; breeding sheep for wool production is older than the idea of "shears" (which go waaay back in simple form, anyhow; we have partial shears from the Roman era), since fleece can be and historically has been, cut off with a knife or other blade.

    Other Kinds of Wool
    It may be called wool, mohair, pashmina, shahtoosh, or cashmere. But no matter what it’s called, any kind of wool means suffering for animals.
    No. This is one of the very first things I teach in my spinning/fiber classes, because I ask the question "What is wool?" and then proceed to answer it. Part of the answer is that only wool (grown by sheep) is wool. Mohair and cashmere come from goats, and goats do not grow wool. Alpacas and llamas don't grow wool. Angora rabbits, musk oxen, yaks, etc. all grow amazing wonderful fiber, but none of that is wool. And 'suffering' is relative, subjective, and difficult to measure or define; yeah, my sheep get shorn (at least) once a year, and they occasionally get nicks or cuts since even the best shearer occasionally does that. But it's hardly different than a guy shaving his face and getting nicks; is that suffering? Probably not. And aside from the chaos frenzy of shearing day, my sheep get a pretty damn cush life.

    I get that PETA complains about the mass producers in places like on the stations in Australia, and some of the treatment there is of valid concern. But part of their bullshit, vegan-embracing* campaign is tarring All Wool with the same brush as those who engage in shitty treatment of animals on a mass scale in things like factory-farm operations, and that's distinctly disingenuous.

    A PETA Asia investigation of goat farms in South Africa showed workers roughly handling, mutilating, and even cutting the throats of fully conscious goats in South Africa, which supplies more than half the world’s mohair.1
    Ooooh, did anybody else read between those lines and see what they may likely have done there? South Africa; lots of people and countries there are primarily Muslim, and therefor halal butchering is a big thing. And if you do halal "correctly", you do cut the throat of a fully conscious animal all the way to the neck vertebrae with one stroke. Does that have anything to do whatsoever with mohair production? I'm dubious. Angora goats (from whence mohair comes) have a pretty damn skinny, dairy-like build, and do not have a high carcass yield, unlike Boer goats who were bred for meat and ORIGINATED in South Africa. Besides, if you're producing mohair, it behooves you to, um, you know, NOT KILL YOUR PRODUCERS.




    *on their page, they state, "Vegan wool is easy to find, and it will keep you warm and cozy without contributing to cruelty."

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    *on their page, they state, "Vegan wool is easy to find, and it will keep you warm and cozy without contributing to cruelty."
    There is no such thing as vegan wool. Unless they mean acrylic or some such.
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  • #210
    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    There is no such thing as vegan wool. Unless they mean acrylic or some such.
    That's exactly what they mean. Same thing for "vegan leather", it's that PVC plastic shit.

    Dark the stars and dark the moon
    Hush the night and the morning loon
    Tell the horses and beat on your drum
    Gone their master, gone their son.

    Dark the oceans, dark the sky
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