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    He's talking about Trump, but I think the shape of your argument holds.
    You're right, I should have noticed "highest position"... But with Trump, I am not so sure if he isn't right. But of course, it wouldn't be a suffiicent argument against Trump, either. Because who cares what rules him, does he enact policies that are good for "me" or the US, the world or whatever is important to me.

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    He's talking about Trump, but I think the shape of your argument holds.
    It's a sad commentary that when talking about accused rapists, in this administration you need to say, "be more specific."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    It's a sad commentary that when talking about accused rapists, in this administration you need to say, "be more specific."
    "This administration" is too narrow. You can also apply the same to Wall Street, Hollywood, and pretty much every other organization with power dynamics (take a look at the SEIU's sexual harassment problems, or even the kerfuffle at NYU).

    I think the power itself is the root of the problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    It's a sad commentary that when talking about accused rapists, in this administration you need to say, "be more specific."
    Has Trump been accused of rape, or are you expanding "rapist" to mean sexual harrasment or abuse? Neither Trump nor Kavanaugh stand accused of rape. I get not liking the guy (either of them), but can we not make "rape" meaningless in the rush to signal that to others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Has Trump been accused of rape, or are you expanding "rapist" to mean sexual harrasment or abuse? Neither Trump nor Kavanaugh stand accused of rape. I get not liking the guy (either of them), but can we not make "rape" meaningless in the rush to signal that to others?
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    In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who was a notorious registered sex offender, and raped a 13-year-old girl that night in what was a "savage sexual attack," according to a lawsuit filed in June 2016 by "Jane Doe." The account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor.

    "Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed," Jane Doe wrote in the lawsuit, filed in New York.
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    During a court deposition, Ivana Trump—Donald's first wife and mother to Eric, Donald Jr. and Ivanka—accused the president of raping her in 1989. The private account was described in former Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III’s 1993 book, Lost Tycoon. It details the alleged "violent assault," in which Trump pulled out fistfuls of his ex-wife’s hair after receiving a painful operation on his scalp.

    "He jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months," Hurt wrote. "Ivana is terrified.… According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidants, 'he raped me.'"

    Ivana walked back her allegations against Trump after his lawyers insisted she write the following statement at the beginning of her book, according to The New York Times: "During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

    A former Trump business associate, Jill Harth, claimed in a 1997 lawsuit the New York real estate mogul “attempted rape” and groped her without her consent on various occasions. In the suit, Harth described a violent encounter at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, in which Trump allegedly threw her against the wall of one of his children’s bedrooms before lifting up her dress.
    In Kavanaugh's case I should have said "accused attempted rape," as no one has said he succeeded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    In Kavanaugh's case I should have said "accused attempted rape," as no one has said he succeeded.
    Depends on your definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    Three times.



    In Kavanaugh's case I should have said "accused attempted rape," as no one has said he succeeded.
    Huh, never heard about that first one.

    I'm going to tread dangerous water here, but here goes. If we're to lend credence to any of these allegations, then the upshot is that Donald Trump enjoys violent rape. And, as a man with power, he would indulge that. The two cases not involving his wife are also both very high risk, which matches with the belief that Trump is a dangerous, power-mad person who likes violent rape. You can build this case. But, it runs into a problem -- either Trump is supremely lucky/gifted/powerful enough to silence all of his victims (and there would be many more than the above), OR Trump is very, very disciplined and careful except for the above mistakes. Maybe some combination of the two. But the latter doesn't jive with someone that's willing to take the extreme risks of the first and last cases above -- hell, the first involves allegations of tying the victim up and beating her! That's not something that hides, or hides well, at least with someone who's so obviously impulsive as Trump the President is about everything else. I guess, to sum up, this picture of Trump as an out-of-control abuser of women doesn't jive with his demeanor and relative lack of victims. There's huge sums involved right now for someone willing to stand up to Trump. Porn stars are doing it and winning, after all, and that's over a hush money payment! If there are legit victims of an abusive Trump, I struggle with the argument that his current vulnerability paired with the strong (and profitable) desire to topple him in the media and opposition parties just aren't coming forward because they're scared of him. Not with the number and violence that the above stories imply.

    That's not to say that the allegations aren't true, but Occam's razor applied even gingerly says that we should be inundated in claims at this point or that Trump is nearly superhuman in his ability to select and intimidate his victims despite his current troubles. I cannot, in good faith, credit Trump, so the lack of a slew of such claims given the recent legal precariousness of Trump's position seems indicative. Of course, he could only let the monster out occasionally, but the psychology of people willing to commit violent rape almost never runs that way.

    But, still, I concede your point that Trump has, indeed, been accused of rape, and that you can believe those accusations, and therefore can refer to Trump as 'rapey', if you so desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    Anita Hill's allegations were also only a local matter, and yet the FBI investigated them. It's part of the background check that the FBI does of all appointees. Of course, such investigations don't usually go into actions taken by a minor, so it would probably take a cabinet or presidential request to get them to do so.
    The Anita Hill case included allegations of sexual harassment that supposedly took place within a Federal building. At that point the Feds get involved.
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    "When you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

    And if they complain, well, here's $130,000 to shut up, and we'll send a goon or two to threaten your daughter.

    It's almost like rich people can get away with a hell of a lot in this world, and most of what Trump is accused of is just massively asshole-ish behavior, not quite criminal. Ivana probably had millions of reasons to drop her claim, and a 13-year old is going to have a hell of a time getting any traction against a billionaire. The system is hugely stacked against victims of sexual assault and harassment.

    Michael Avenatti says he's got something like 16 other women who have come forward to him - now he's as big a self-promoter as Trump, and none of them have come forward, so that needs a grain or two thousand of salt, but there's been a constant drumbeat. Christine Blasey Ford is getting death threats, and the terrible things about that, aside from the death threats themselves, is that I'd have been utterly shocked if she hadn't (to be fair, Kavanaugh has gotten some too, so horribleness is not solely owned by the right).

    With Michael Cohen cooperating with the Feds, I suspect 90% of what is out there will come out eventually. Whether that is a handful of new cases or hundreds (Steve Bannon claimed, in Michael Wolf's book, that Kasowitz took care of "a hundred" during the campaign alone. Again, take salt with that), who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    IIRC (cause I don't feel like looking it up) she has agreed to testify after the FBI has done an investigation. Honestly, I suspect she's the only one who remembers the thing. The third person allegedly present regularly got blackout drunk at that time in his life by his own admission, she said both were drunk, they were 17, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were both blackout drunk, assuming this happened.
    She said 4 people to her therapist. She has since named everyone there and said it was near some country club or something. Nobody at the party that she named has a house near that county club. She had been drinking and memory is unreliable when sober, and now it's 35 years later. A talk show host I listen to said that there was a football player who had a house near that country club, though, and he looked(and still looks) a lot like Kavanaugh. I haven't verified that myself, but if true, could mean that she got people confused while drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    She said 4 people to her therapist. She has since named everyone there and said it was near some country club or something. Nobody at the party that she named has a house near that county club. She had been drinking and memory is unreliable when sober, and now it's 35 years later. A talk show host I listen to said that there was a football player who had a house near that country club, though, and he looked(and still looks) a lot like Kavanaugh. I haven't verified that myself, but if true, could mean that she got people confused while drunk.
    That was a speculative claim that pinned blame on an uninvolved person. The ass that posted to twitter has pulled it down and apologized. Still, it's now in the zeitgeist, just like the Kavanaugh's mother thing. Sigh.

    I don't think the fourth person (her friend) has been named. That's from that same retracted speculation.
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    So the guy who is good friends with Kavenaugh and has been helping to shuffle him through confirmation, CHECKED OUT DR. BLASEY FORD'S LINKED PAGE BEFORE SHE WENT PUBLIC!!!!

    The ONLY person who could have told Whelan about Dr. Blasey Ford WAS KAVENAUGH!

    "On Sunday, Ford noticed that — even before her name became public — Whelan appeared to be seeking information about her.

    That morning, Ford alerted an associate via email that Whelan had looked at her LinkedIn page, according to the email, which was reviewed by The Post. LinkedIn allows some subscribers to see who views their pages. Ford sent the email about 90 minutes after The Post shared her name with a White House spokesman and hours before her identity was revealed in a story posted on its website."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a338cd5246a2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    So the guy who is good friends with Kavenaugh and has been helping to shuffle him through confirmation, CHECKED OUT DR. BLASEY FORD'S LINKED PAGE BEFORE SHE WENT PUBLIC!!!!

    The ONLY person who could have told Whelan about Dr. Blasey Ford WAS KAVENAUGH!

    "On Sunday, Ford noticed that even before her name became public Whelan appeared to be seeking information about her.

    That morning, Ford alerted an associate via email that Whelan had looked at her LinkedIn page, according to the email, which was reviewed by The Post. LinkedIn allows some subscribers to see who views their pages. Ford sent the email about 90 minutes after The Post shared her name with a White House spokesman and hours before her identity was revealed in a story posted on its website."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a338cd5246a2
    Alternative explanation: the allegations were known even if Ford wasn't identified, yet. Whelan was already supporting Kavanaugh and began investigating for possible leads. Ford, being a graduate of a school in the area, was a reasonable search result.

    Or, Kavanaugh clearly did it and is so inept he told Whelan, and only Whelan, to go ahead and start searching out Ford.
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    Sheriff in the Maryland County where the attempted rape occurred is prepared to investigate:

    https://politicaldig.com/maryland-po...exual-assault/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    Sheriff in the Maryland County where the attempted rape occurred is prepared to investigate:

    https://politicaldig.com/maryland-po...exual-assault/
    Good, that's where it should happen. Now all Ford needs to do is swear out a crminal complaint.
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