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    Quote Originally Posted by the Jester View Post
    If you were running a business, and you were interviewing someone for a job, and multiple people came out and accused him of stealing from previous employers and yet had not taken him to court over it, are you saying you'd ignore that when deciding whether to hire him?
    If I were running a business, the next guy wouldn't be a super public person from a super small pool of people with crazies lining up to accuse that person, too. Comparing a Supreme Court nominee to a normal job interview is a False Equivalence.

    You, and many others on the right, keep trying to pretend that the same standards should apply to a job interview as in a trial. The two are entirely different.
    I'm not. You and the others on the left keep trying Strawman our arguments.

 

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    ...crazies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Jester View Post
    If you were running a business, and you were interviewing someone for a job, and multiple people came out and accused him of stealing from previous employers and yet had not taken him to court over it, are you saying you'd ignore that when deciding whether to hire him?

    You, and many others on the right, keep trying to pretend that the same standards should apply to a job interview as in a trial. The two are entirely different.
    Well, if the person was super qualified, had been vetted with 6 background checks, and the allegations came from my main competitor without corroboration about events when my candidate was a teenager....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Well, if the person was super qualified, had been vetted with 6 background checks, and the allegations came from my main competitor without corroboration about events when my candidate was a teenager....
    Wrong analogy. Ford made the accusations and wasn't a competitor of Kavanaugh or the Republican regime.

    I'm shocked you would lie in an argument.
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    So you do know that "crazies" applies to those on the right as well, right? Or are you truly stupid enough to think that there are no crazy people on the left and the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    So you do know that "crazies" applies to those on the right as well, right? Or are you truly stupid enough to think that there are no crazy people on the left and the right?
    Crazy is crazy. Nobody can help it if they're focus happens to be politics or religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Jester View Post
    If you were running a business, and you were interviewing someone for a job, and multiple people came out and accused him of stealing from previous employers and yet had not taken him to court over it, are you saying you'd ignore that when deciding whether to hire him?
    True story. I was hiring a woman to work as sales support.

    We got an anonymous letter in the mail about her during the hiring process, after we had interviewed her and before we had hired her (there was a gap in time there due to some holidays).

    The letter, which was hand written, said she had sold drugs, done drugs, would be a terrible employee and steal from us, and was essentially a horrible person.

    I threw letter in the trash and never said a word about it.

    We hired her. She turned out to be an excellent employee for years, and was promoted to salesperson, and did well at it.

    A couple years ago she decided to accept a position in the insurance industry, which is where her degree was focused, at much higher pay in a different city.

    I thanked her for her many years here, did an exit interview, offered her a good reference letter, and when it was all done I finally told her about that letter.

    She knew right away where it was from. It was from her step mother. Who despised her. They had an argument on the phone back when she had first applied and she had mentioned she thought she was going to get the job here, and it looks like her step mother was trying to fuck with that out of spite. Every word of the letter was false, and it had to do with I guess her having told her father to leave this step mother and her step mother seeking revenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    True story. I was hiring a woman to work as sales support.

    We got an anonymous letter in the mail about her during the hiring process, after we had interviewed her and before we had hired her (there was a gap in time there due to some holidays).

    The letter, which was hand written, said she had sold drugs, done drugs, would be a terrible employee and steal from us, and was essentially a horrible person.

    I threw letter in the trash and never said a word about it.

    We hired her. She turned out to be an excellent employee for years, and was promoted to salesperson, and did well at it.

    A couple years ago she decided to accept a position in the insurance industry, which is where her degree was focused, at much higher pay in a different city.

    I thanked her for her many years here, did an exit interview, offered her a good reference letter, and when it was all done I finally told her about that letter.

    She knew right away where it was from. It was from her step mother. Who despised her. They had an argument on the phone back when she had first applied and she had mentioned she thought she was going to get the job here, and it looks like her step mother was trying to fuck with that out of spite. Every word of the letter was false, and it had to do with I guess her having told her father to leave this step mother and her step mother seeking revenge.
    While this is a great story about how small-minded and vindictive people can be, you should not make the mistake of confusing this with Kavanaugh's situation or his accuser.

    You got an anonymous letter. Whoever sent it had basically nothing to fear, didn't have to face you, the public, or the accused in person for it. The writer risked nothing on the chance that instead of getting a hopefully decent paying job with you, a person she didn't like would remain unemployed longer and lose her reputation.

    Ford however accused Kavanugh publicly. She risked her reputation. Even if her accusations and statement would have ended Kavanaugh's career ambitions, she would now be publicly known as a rape victim, instead of being some successful career woman as psychology professor. Regardless of the outcome, everyone she encounters will also know that she was a rape victim, or if they don't believe that she was raped, that she's a liar. So ,in contrast to the letter-writer of your story ,she has a lot to lose, and in fact will definitely suffer some form of backlash, regardless of the outcome.
    Kavanaugh risked losing one of the most prestigious position in the US legal system, but even if he failed, he would still have a very prestigious and powerful position in the US legal system. Sure, his reputation suffers from it as well, but he's still in a very comfortable position overall, regardless of whether he won or lost. So, instead of your employee, he would stay employed in a very powerful position.

    You see the difference, right?


    In the end, I can see that the decision for Kavanaugh is not automatically evil. There was not enough to substantiate the claim, so you either think it's better to not ignore such a claim for the sake of the peace and the respect for the office, or you think that such a claim alone just can't suffice against all the other vetting that was done.
    But I will argue that the case could have been handled a lot better, to avoid the further polarization. For example, trump basically framing it as: "If he gets refused, men have to live in fear in this country that they could get accused and who-knows-what" is populist bullshit to further the divide in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    You see the difference, right?
    I guarantee you he does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    While this is a great story about how small-minded and vindictive people can be, you should not make the mistake of confusing this with Kavanaugh's situation or his accuser.
    I wasn't. I was responding to a different hypothetical. It's right there in the thread. I know he thinks his different hypothetical was just like Kavanaugh...but it clearly was not, and was purely focused on the accusation and not the accusers circumstance. There appears to be zero concern for the position the accusers are in, and the accusers are perhaps not even the victims in his hypothetical as they may just be claimed anonymous witnesses to theft at prior jobs. My reply is completely appropriate to the other hypothetical presented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    While this is a great story about how small-minded and vindictive people can be, you should not make the mistake of confusing this with Kavanaugh's situation or his accuser.

    You got an anonymous letter. Whoever sent it had basically nothing to fear, didn't have to face you, the public, or the accused in person for it. The writer risked nothing on the chance that instead of getting a hopefully decent paying job with you, a person she didn't like would remain unemployed longer and lose her reputation.

    Ford however accused Kavanugh publicly. She risked her reputation. Even if her accusations and statement would have ended Kavanaugh's career ambitions, she would now be publicly known as a rape victim, instead of being some successful career woman as psychology professor. Regardless of the outcome, everyone she encounters will also know that she was a rape victim, or if they don't believe that she was raped, that she's a liar. So ,in contrast to the letter-writer of your story ,she has a lot to lose, and in fact will definitely suffer some form of backlash, regardless of the outcome.
    Kavanaugh risked losing one of the most prestigious position in the US legal system, but even if he failed, he would still have a very prestigious and powerful position in the US legal system. Sure, his reputation suffers from it as well, but he's still in a very comfortable position overall, regardless of whether he won or lost. So, instead of your employee, he would stay employed in a very powerful position.

    You see the difference, right?


    In the end, I can see that the decision for Kavanaugh is not automatically evil. There was not enough to substantiate the claim, so you either think it's better to not ignore such a claim for the sake of the peace and the respect for the office, or you think that such a claim alone just can't suffice against all the other vetting that was done.
    But I will argue that the case could have been handled a lot better, to avoid the further polarization. For example, trump basically framing it as: "If he gets refused, men have to live in fear in this country that they could get accused and who-knows-what" is populist bullshit to further the divide in the US.
    Ford did not accuse Kavanaugh publicly, she did it anonymously and was exposed via a leak on by the Democrats (they're the only ones with the letter, so...). By the time she went 'public', she had already been in strategy sessions with lawyers provided by the Democrats. Further, she faces no actual long term repercussions -- her job is safe and she works/lives in a bubble of people that support her and value her actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    ...she would now be publicly known as a rape victim, instead of being some successful career woman as psychology professor.
    And this is a part of the problem people have in reporting rape. Y'all* need to get over identifying people as 'the worst of themselves' and start just taking them as a whole.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Further, she faces no actual long term repercussions
    Yeah; she must just love the incessant barrage of death/rape threats, and not being able to go back home. Hoo-boy, some fun, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Ford did not accuse Kavanaugh publicly, she did it anonymously and was exposed via a leak on by the Democrats (they're the only ones with the letter, so...). By the time she went 'public', she had already been in strategy sessions with lawyers provided by the Democrats. Further, she faces no actual long term repercussions -- her job is safe and she works/lives in a bubble of people that support her and value her actions.
    Feinstein gave the letter to the FBI, Captain Disinformation.
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