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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    That's a fair point, Feanor, and I appreciate the perspective. The one thing that I really would like to see is some sort of gun buyback program to get all the extra guns away - there's just way too many guns. It can be voluntary, just to get the sheer number of weapons off the market. I'd also like to see background checks and waiting periods and buying rules be more uniform across the nation. I'm sure you know this because you're in the Chicago area like me, but Illinois' gun laws can be as restrictive as we want, and it really won't matter - because Chicago is right on the Indiana border and their rules are among the most lax in the nation.
    As you can probably guess, I'd be more than fine with a voluntary buy-back program. How much positive impact it will have, I'm not sure. But I'd be willing to spend the money (from a tax perspective) to find out.

    Illinois laws aren't even that great - The City has probably the most restrictive, although I recall one of the northern affluent burbs - Evanston? - just passed a pretty restrictive law that will, of course, be challenged.

    To be on record - as of this point in time, I'd be fine with longer waiting periods, tighter background checks, licensing (that is, the government can know who has the guns), required title transfers (like my FiL passing his shotgun on to my son would have to be recorded), and closing all loopholes that allow anyone to get around any of that at time of purchase - no matter where it's purchased. I don't like the "you have to provide its locked up" stuff as that gets a bit invasive for my libertarian bent.

    I'd also like to see a more comprehensive approach as to how to make it as difficult as possible to get a firearm into any public space (schools, courthouses, concerts, Wrigley, etc.) without being too restrictive while also taking into account the serious increase in security needed in those instances as you are forcing people to give up their ability to protect themselves (yeah yeah you - the royal you - can heap scorn on the "protect yourself" argument; for me in this case it's more principle than pragmatic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    I don't like the "you have to provide its locked up" stuff as that gets a bit invasive for my libertarian bent.
    Most gun crime in Australia is done by stolen weapons which is why we also have harsh laws around storage for both guns and ammunition. It's a consequence of not having easy access to guns in the first place; legitimate owners then become the easiest way to access a gun for criminals.

    Which is why we should just outlaw and destroy all guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    ...To be on record - as of this point in time, I'd be fine with longer waiting periods, tighter background checks, licensing (that is, the government can know who has the guns), required title transfers (like my FiL passing his shotgun on to my son would have to be recorded), and closing all loopholes that allow anyone to get around any of that at time of purchase - no matter where it's purchased. I don't like the "you have to provide its locked up" stuff as that gets a bit invasive for my libertarian bent.
    I can get on board with all of that and go one further - I'd say that any gun owner is necessarily part of the militia, with all the duties that entails. That includes reporting to local precinct captains to prove you know how to shoot, proper gun safety, and that you safely store your weapons. I'd also use membership in the militia to serve as a check on mental health, with expulsion from the militia (and turning in your weapons to the armory until your cleared again) as possibility for those mentally unfit to serve.

    Yes - I know the SCOTUS ruled pretty firmly for over-riding individual rights for the 2nd, but I can't help that they can't seem to parse the English language.

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    I think you could voluntarily encourage the formation of local militias with those responsibilities. If the Government subsidized such clubs, and promoted them through public service announcements, I bet you'd get lots of gun owners to join. And I suspect a lot of the nutters would be attracted to such groups and get flagged too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkhidu View Post
    I can get on board with all of that and go one further - I'd say that any gun owner is necessarily part of the militia, with all the duties that entails. That includes reporting to local precinct captains to prove you know how to shoot, proper gun safety, and that you safely store your weapons. I'd also use membership in the militia to serve as a check on mental health, with expulsion from the militia (and turning in your weapons to the armory until your cleared again) as possibility for those mentally unfit to serve.
    Let's assume all of this happens -- how does it prevent what you want to prevent? Which recent crime would this have halted? These are controls for things that don't address the issues, and, as such, are just more solutions in pursuit of problems.

    Yes - I know the SCOTUS ruled pretty firmly for over-riding individual rights for the 2nd, but I can't help that they can't seem to parse the English language.
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    Ignoring for a moment the fact that no mainstream grocery store in the State of Tennessee carries pornography, unless you are a member of the proper society that considers Cosmopolitan to be pornography (and I've seen a mother rail against Woman's Day magazine in a grocery store because the cover model was showing too much cleavage - she actually covered her child's eyes as they passed the display).... Ignoring that fact - there is a WHOLE lot more gun porn on the magazine rack at any southern grocery store. And pseudo-science porn, Jesus porn, gardening porn, car porn, boy band porn....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Wickett View Post
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