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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Look... words have definitions. Try to use them. Properly even.

    Both fascism and communism tend to be authoritarian and oppressive. Those are the words you are looking for.
    There are a lot of genuine overlaps between the two philosophies. See for example. A lot of political science books have been written on the topic.

    In terms of the economy, I find precious few people have any concept of what the fascist economic system involves. They think "oppressive authoritarian dictator" and often don't even realize fascism involves a particular non-capitalist economic system. It wasn't a communistic economic system either however. It was its own thing, and shared aspects of communism and capitalism and then a host of things found in neither. It both had Government control over investment and rules regarding businesses serving the interest of the State, and also private business subsidized and often directed by the State. They were also highly protectionist. It was definitely closer to Communism than Capitalism was close to Communism, in those respects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    It was its own thing, and shared aspects of communism and capitalism and then a host of things found in neither. It both had Government control over investment and rules regarding businesses serving the interest of the State, and also private business subsidized and often directed by the State. They were also highly protectionist. It was definitely closer to Communism than Capitalism was close to Communism, in those respects.
    Fascism as an economic model was very "socialism" flavored, but sure, you can say 'communism' if you want to pretend the fascist model of governance served the people instead of itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Fascism as an economic model was very "socialism" flavored, but sure, you can say 'communism' if you want to pretend the fascist model of governance served the people instead of itself.
    The communist model of governance also served itself more than it served the people. And also pretended to serve the people more than itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    There are a lot of genuine overlaps between the two philosophies. See for example. A lot of political science books have been written on the topic.

    In terms of the economy, I find precious few people have any concept of what the fascist economic system involves. They think "oppressive authoritarian dictator" and often don't even realize fascism involves a particular non-capitalist economic system. It wasn't a communistic economic system either however. It was its own thing, and shared aspects of communism and capitalism and then a host of things found in neither. It both had Government control over investment and rules regarding businesses serving the interest of the State, and also private business subsidized and often directed by the State. They were also highly protectionist. It was definitely closer to Communism than Capitalism was close to Communism, in those respects.
    I think China is the best current example we have for a fascist state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    The communist model of governance also served itself more than it served the people. And also pretended to serve the people more than itself.
    I still quibble with anything most people will point to as being communist... they are/were all socialist dictatorships, and fucking terrible.

    Fuck Marx for fucking up communism forever. Just fuck him.
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    People who don't understand fascism or communism arguing about fascism and communism.

    Fuck you people are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kzach View Post
    People who don't understand fascism or communism arguing about fascism and communism.

    Fuck you people are stupid.
    Aside from posting/linking two articles, do have anything meaningful to add? Your contributions to this forum since the 2016 election are basically:

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    What happened? Did the election turn you into one of the seemingly growing number of emotional simpletons you continuously whinge about? We all have experienced strings of bad days or weeks (or even a few months) where everything seems to suck; however, you need to rise above it. Otherwise, you will never be better than those you condemn. Try stepping away from social media (including forums) for a few months to help clear your head. Come back when you are ready to engage in civil discourse. Remember, life is not a zero-sum game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    I still quibble with anything most people will point to as being communist... they are/were all socialist dictatorships, and fucking terrible...
    Dude, human nature doesn't allow for communism at a large scale - socialist dictatorships are required for any commune over a certain (and very small) size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkhidu View Post
    Dude, human nature doesn't allow for communism at a large scale - socialist dictatorships are required for any commune over a certain (and very small) size.
    Mostly true. Communism (the philosophy overall, not the governing system) works in one niche area I know of - software. The reason it works there and only there is that everyone gets to keep everything - there is no division of spoils step. That division of spoils is the stumbling block that disqualifies communism from being feasible elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoony View Post
    Mostly true. Communism (the philosophy overall, not the governing system) works in one niche area I know of - software. The reason it works there and only there is that everyone gets to keep everything - there is no division of spoils step. That division of spoils is the stumbling block that disqualifies communism from being feasible elsewhere.
    Are you referring to open-source, open-licence software that does not suffer the concept of scarcity due to lack of restriction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    I still quibble with anything most people will point to as being communist... they are/were all socialist dictatorships, and fucking terrible.

    Fuck Marx for fucking up communism forever. Just fuck him.
    When virtually every single government that's ever existed and called itself "communist" fits a certain pattern, that becomes the definition of communism. It doesn't matter what's written in a book or in a theory. The practice of communism is fairly consistent, and it's self-serving while pretending to serve the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoony View Post
    Mostly true. Communism (the philosophy overall, not the governing system) works in one niche area I know of - software. The reason it works there and only there is that everyone gets to keep everything - there is no division of spoils step. That division of spoils is the stumbling block that disqualifies communism from being feasible elsewhere.
    Israeli kibbutz do OK with it sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    When virtually every single government that's ever existed and called itself "communist" fits a certain pattern, that becomes the definition of communism. It doesn't matter what's written in a book or in a theory. The practice of communism is fairly consistent, and it's self-serving while pretending to serve the people.
    So, capitalism is oligarchy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devoid View Post
    Are you referring to open-source, open-license software that does not suffer the concept of scarcity due to lack of restriction?
    Exactly. That somewhat rare circumstance, complete lack of scarcity, is the only condition under which communism can exist, and even thrive. And it's not simply a lack of scarcity - it's the fact that all participants keep the entire result of the communal effort since, once created, software can be replicated at essentially no cost.

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