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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    All it took was for Trump to run and be elected and for the media and social media to give him and his followers a voice. Before then, the alt-right wasn't even a gleam in anyone's eyes.
    Wait... Trump was elected in 2010? Cause that's when the term was coined... and the 'group' it was coined to cover was around agitating before that. Hell, I heard the term 'alt-right' back in 2012ish, and I'm not even that deeply into politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Wait... Trump was elected in 2010? Cause that's when the term was coined... and the 'group' it was coined to cover was around agitating before that. Hell, I heard the term 'alt-right' back in 2012ish, and I'm not even that deeply into politics.
    Oy vey. You are sort of right and I'm completely wrong on that. It was actually it was coined 2008. My bad. Research before you post and curb your emotions self!!!!!

    I guess it just gained national attention during the election. They weren't as noisy before hand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-ri...and_presidency

    Ovi is still a fuckwit though. You don't give evil an inch. Even if it is stupid as hell.
    Last edited by kirinke; August 13th, 2018 at 11:42 PM.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    You shouldn't use words you don't understand. Fascism involves the forceful silencing of opinions not endorsed by the state as part of the national jingoism. Like what you're desiring. Nothing about fascism requires Nazi views -- you can have a fascist state of supposedly liberal concerns.
    You are a fucking moron without the first clue of the definition of fascism.
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    fascism
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.


    Extreme Left wingers are either socalists or communists. Extreme right wingers are fascists. Lookit the charts below.




    Like I said. Ovi is a fuckwit. Or he's trying to gaslight us.
    Either way, no sale.
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    Last edited by kirinke; August 14th, 2018 at 12:37 AM.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    fascism
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    Protip: It's not right-wing, it's not left-wing, it's just bad.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    You are a fucking moron without the first clue of the definition of fascism.
    Nah, I've got a good handle on it. For one, I'm not wedded to a definition that's primary use is to insult political opponents. To my point above, fascism requires a uniform social construct devoted to the state and nation -- hence the jingoism. However, the exact nature of that social construct isn't defined, just that it be a social construct that allows such devotion. It can be hard left or hard right or a mix of both, as Nazi Germany was and even moreso Fascist Italy. The silencing of those that go against the social construct via means like encouraging other citizens to violently suppress them and via direct government application of force is a hallmark of fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Oy vey. You are sort of right and I'm completely wrong on that. It was actually it was coined 2008. My bad. Research before you post and curb your emotions self!!!!!

    I guess it just gained national attention during the election. They weren't as noisy before hand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-ri...and_presidency

    Ovi is still a fuckwit though. You don't give evil an inch. Even if it is stupid as hell.
    Of course you do. Means do not justify ends, else you become the evil you claim to fight. Taking a principled stand in favor of freedom of speech doesn't mean that you don't speak back to bad speech. I fully support counter-protesting and counter-claiming bad speech. Go do work to show it's evil and shouldn't be listened to, don't give your freedoms to a state so that you don't have to work hard while they suppress things you don't like with force. They'll come for you one day, they always do.
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    Evil prevails when good people do nothing bub.
    But yeah, the government shouldn't decide who says what. They would turn that against everyone else the first chance they get, because hey, government. (I never said the government should) That's what the first amendment is for. It's up to the rest of us to drown the fuckers out. That also means not electing those assholes into any position of power.

    Still, the president of the United States should not support these assholes in any degree. The very fact that it took so long for El Orange Turdo to do so speaks volumes on who he really is.

    You're still a fuckwit. I stand by that.

    Me, I fucking hate those motherfucking assholes. They offend every flaming liberal fiber I have. Fuckers should have gone out with phrenology. Would have saved us all a shit ton of trouble if they had.
    Last edited by kirinke; August 14th, 2018 at 12:51 AM.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Evil prevails when good people do nothing bub.
    Speaking out against isn't doing nothing.

    But yeah, the government shouldn't decide who says what. They would turn that against everyone else the first chance they get, because hey, government. (I never said the government should) That's what the first amendment is for. It's up to the rest of us to drown the fuckers out. That also means not electing those assholes into any position of power.
    Right, you stridently claimed that they shouldn't be allowed to speak. Are you saying that citizens should use force to stop them if you're no longer relying on government to do so?

    Still, the president of the United States should not support these assholes in any degree. The very fact that it took so long for El Orange Turdo to do so speaks volumes on who he really is.
    Right, because saying something isn't enough if it's said too late to meet some arbitrary standard of need you've set up. I don't like the clown, but for fuck's sake he's been very unambiguous on the matter.

    You're still a fuckwit. I stand by that.
    Right, even though you're walking back your stupid, I'm the fuckwit. Gotcha.

    Me, I fucking hate those motherfucking assholes. They offend every flaming liberal fiber I have. Fuckers should have gone out with phrenology. Would have saved us all a shit ton of trouble if they had.
    Then offend all my conservative and libertarian fibers, too. I had to slap someone I overheard at work a few months back for poor taste joking. Pretty sure he's a dyed in the wool racist, but I can't do much about it so long as he keeps their mouths shut in the workplace from now on. I give it about a year before it comes out again, and this time it goes up to employee relations (or, goes up again). Already been documented the first time. Not going to tolerate that bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Problem.

    You don't ever give a Nazi (however you want to call them White supremacist, White nationalists etc) the right to civil discourse.
    Learn more about rights in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    Nazis (white supremacists, Klan, white nationalists, alt-right) are the sociopolitical equivalent of shouting "FIRE!" in a theatre.
    "1 out of 3 Trump supporters is as stupid as the other 2"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    Nazis (white supremacists, Klan, white nationalists, alt-right) are the sociopolitical equivalent of shouting "FIRE!" in a theatre.
    You mean an incorrect myth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    You mean an incorrect myth?
    Oh my god, you utter turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    Nazis (white supremacists, Klan, white nationalists, alt-right) are the sociopolitical equivalent of shouting "FIRE!" in a theatre.
    Again, learn more about rights in America. That's the Supreme Court ruling. It's the law of the land. They are definitely, specifically, NOT the equivalent of shouting "FIRE!" in a theater. That's something you should be aware of. It's not a matter of opinion, that's the status of rights in America, as authorized by the U.S. Constitution. It's a matter of fact. They do in fact have the right to express their opinion in public, and it is not considered a risk to safety that they express their opinion such that their speech can be suppressed to prevent harm like a riot in a theater.

    You don't have to like that, but then you don't have to fucking like the laws of physics either. They're still the laws of physics and that is still the law of the U.S..

    This is in fact part of liberalism and not conservatism (though it is not a part of leftism, and one of the things which distinguishes liberalism from leftism). The ACLU for example agrees with the Court ruling and my view of it, and not yours. Your view is considered more on the authoritarian spectrum of political beliefs, and you would find more in common with hard right wingers who want to suppress speech (like suppressing sex and violence in video games and movies - for the protection of people) than you would with liberals.
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