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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    He's trying to hard to shift the narrative.
    What narrative? That the left is full of violent sociopaths? It's been that way forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    What narrative? That the left is full of violent sociopaths? It's been that way forever.
    Tangentially, there was a serious 'holy shit' case handed down by a 3 judge panel in the 9th circuit court. They affirmed the district court denial of qualified immunity for the police at that 2016 Trump rally counter-protest turned violent in San Jose, and also dismissed the city's appeal for immunity to suit. Fuck, Appeals courts almost reflexively support qualified immunity, but they actually said that, in this case, even though the right hadn't been clearly determined in court that the violation was in that rare category of 'you should have known better anyway.' That's really, really, uncommonly, rare. If the fact pattern holds up in court (appeals of qualified immunity always take the plaintiff's story as true for the determination (and are still almost always granted to the cops)) San Hose and many of it's police officers are gonna be very expensively fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    What narrative? That the left is full of violent sociopaths? It's been that way forever.
    The right isn't composed of angels and fluff either.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    The right isn't composed of angels and fluff either.
    I don't see anyone saying it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    I don't see anyone saying it is.
    Which is what Mistwell is trying to accomplish. Right good. Left bad.

    Personally, I say throw all extremists on a island and let them kill each other while the rest of us go live our lives. If you really want a balanced approach to this sort of thing, here you go:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror..._United_States
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    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Which is what Mistwell is trying to accomplish.
    Way to read minds there Carnac.
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    Your welcome.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    That is an impressive list.

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    Here's another list that's equally 'impressive':
    https://www.splcenter.org/20151101/terror-right
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Here's another list that's equally 'impressive':
    https://www.splcenter.org/20151101/terror-right
    Equally impressive? That list is 25%(129) of the size and goes back 23 years, rather than 2. If you go back the same 2 years, you drop to 11 and it includes one leftist. I doubt that the black guy wanting to kill white guys after a black lives matter rally was a Republican. The guys on your list were generally better armed, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Here's another list that's equally 'impressive':
    https://www.splcenter.org/20151101/terror-right
    SPLC has been credibly accused of taking money to put people/organizations on that list. They used to be sane, but in the last decade have become absolute batshit. Not to say there aren't many quite deserving asswipes on that list (most), but there's also many undeserving.

    They've settled a few libel cases lately before discovery -- cases they could easily have won if there wasn't evidence of asstwattery in their files, like confirmation of money for listing or reckless disregard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Which is what Mistwell is trying to accomplish. Right good. Left bad.
    Nope. I am not shy and would have said that if that's what I meant. You know that. And who would I be trying to persuade that was the case if that's the method I chose to do it? Nobody obviously as nothing I've posted says in any way "right good" or even "most of left bad". My point has only been that right now, in this moment, more violence seems to be coming from the left than the right. And I only raised that in response to an allegation of the opposite.
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    So have you done any research on right wing violence? At all? If all the research you've done is on left wing violence then you're going to be biased on that. It's like those damned studies that says oranges are bad for you.

    This is from Forbes:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#62a65db11e74

    This is from Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

    This is a list of extremist attacks by type and group
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror...nti-government

    So don't tell me the Left is committing more acts of violence then the Right. Neither extreme side is full of puppies and lollypops, but the right has more under it's belt then the left thank you very much.

    There actual comparisons. Wow.
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    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    So don't tell me the Left is committing more acts of violence then the Right. Neither extreme side is full of puppies and lollypops, but the right has more under it's belt then the left thank you very much.

    There actual comparisons. Wow.
    Those don't compare the problem, though. The vast majority of instances on both sides are not acts of terror that will make those lists. If I had to guess, I'd say the right probably has the lead, but I doubt that it's a blowout.

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    Depends on what you count as right-wing or left wing groups. Just the anti-abortion crowd alone would bounce the right to the top of the list and then add the KKK and other White Supremist groups....

    So yeah, acts of violence on either side are bad, but let's face it, the right wing groups put the left wing groups to shame on their collective stupid.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    My sanity left town along time ago and didn't leave a forwarding address. It's not missed.

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