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    Quote Originally Posted by Kzach View Post
    I know a mod on /r/politics /r/news (and some others) who would disagree. They said a significant number of influential posters had a big impact on the discourse throughout the campaign and that they're now focusing on "the left".

    And if you think that FB feeds and reddit subs and other social media, combined with outlets like Breitbart and RT, aren't having a major effect on global politics, then you're even more of an idiot than I currently think you are.
    Reddit subs do not have a big influence on the election. Yes, I think that. Because it's true. FB has a modest influence.
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    The Washington Post essentially discarded the Two Source Rule for Trump. If they get one anonymous source, that's enough to report it these days for their standards. And to me, that's not acceptable. It should either be one named source or two anonymous sources, and not one anonymous source. If all you have is one anonymous source, it's just rumor and not news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kzach View Post
    I know a mod on /r/politics /r/news (and some others) who would disagree. They said a significant number of influential posters had a big impact on the discourse throughout the campaign and that they're now focusing on "the left".
    Yeah... because some /r/ando is a truly trustworthy source.

    Also what Misty said. Reddit only influences the minimally intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Yeah... because some /r/ando is a truly trustworthy source.

    Also what Misty said. Reddit only influences the minimally intelligent.
    Yeah, 'cause the_donald had no impact whatsoever.

    I say again, take an IQ test. Put yourself out of your misery. I know for a fact that you'll score below average.

    Russia is doing to America what America has done to so many countries before. It's ironic that Americans are too fucking stupid and arrogant to see it happening right before their own eyes.
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    Rolling Stone calls out Putin Derangement Syndrome. Note - the author has plenty of cred on the left, and is avidly anti-Trump himself.

    They're right. I've been saying for a while now, this is an ugly period of history akin to McCarthyism. The people doing this, calling into question the loyalty of those who don't come on board with the conspiracy theory, will not be looked on well once the history books are written.

    A part I found particularly telling:

    Moreover, even those who detest Trump with every fiber of their being must see the dangerous endgame implicit in this entire line of thinking. If the Democrats succeed in spreading the idea that straying from the DNC-approved candidate – in either the past or the future – is/was an act of "unwitting" cooperation with the evil Putin regime, then the entire idea of legitimate dissent is going to be in trouble.

    Imagine it's four years from now (if indeed that's when we have our next election). A Democratic candidate stands before the stump, and announces that a consortium of intelligence experts has concluded that Putin is backing the hippie/anti-war/anti-corporate opposition candidate.

    Or, even better: that same candidate reminds us "what happened last time" when people decided to vote their consciences during primary season. It will be argued, in seriousness, that true Americans will owe their votes to the non-Putin candidate. It would be a shock if some version of this didn't become an effective political trope going forward.

    But if you're not worried about accusing non-believers of being spies, or pegging legitimate dissent as treason, there's a third problem that should scare everyone.

    Last week saw Donna Brazile and Dick Cheney both declare Russia's apparent hack of DNC emails an "act of war." This coupling seemed at first like political end times: as Bill Murray would say, "dogs and cats, living together."

    But there's been remarkable unanimity among would-be enemies in the Republican and Democrat camps on this question. Suddenly everyone from Speier to McCain to Kamala Harris to Ben Cardin have decried Russia's alleged behavior during the election as real or metaphorical acts of war: a "political Pearl Harbor," as Cardin put it.

    That no one seems to be concerned about igniting a hot war with nuclear-powered Russia at a time when both countries have troops within "hand-grenade range" of each in Syria other is bizarre, to say the least. People are in such a fever to drag Trump to impeachment that these other considerations seem not to matter. This is what happens when people lose their heads.
    Here I think he's wrong...the people doing this do not see the dangerous endgame implicit in their behavior. In their "Impeach Trump At Any Costs" zeal, they're really not thinking ahead to the ramifications of their actions. They are not considering the long term implications of attacking the loyalty of genuine dissenters. Just like in any witch hunt.

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    In other news, Susan Rice appears to have been the one responsible for requesting the unmasking of the names of Trump transition officials caught up incidentally in electronic surveillance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    Rolling Stone calls out Putin Derangement Syndrome. Note - the author has plenty of cred on the left, and is avidly anti-Trump himself.

    They're right. I've been saying for a while now, this is an ugly period of history akin to McCarthyism. The people doing this, calling into question the loyalty of those who don't come on board with the conspiracy theory, will not be looked on well once the history books are written.

    A part I found particularly telling:



    Here I think he's wrong...the people doing this do not see the dangerous endgame implicit in their behavior. In their "Impeach Trump At Any Costs" zeal, they're really not thinking ahead to the ramifications of their actions. They are not considering the long term implications of attacking the loyalty of genuine dissenters. Just like in any witch hunt.

    _________________________

    In other news, Susan Rice appears to have been the one responsible for requesting the unmasking of the names of Trump transition officials caught up incidentally in electronic surveillance.
    Witch hunts are a bit like snipe hunts, they aren't there. However, there is enough flames burning in this particular boondoggle to justify the deep inspection of the Trumpster. He's in up to his bad haircut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Witch hunts are a bit like snipe hunts, they aren't there. However, there is enough flames burning in this particular boondoggle to justify the deep inspection of the Trumpster. He's in up to his bad haircut.
    The thing is...there's zero evidence so far that he's in it at all. None. It's speculation. But people are justifying calling into question the loyalty (as in loyalty to America) of anyone who isn't supporting the conspiracy theory. Not simply "in on it" but literally they're attacking those who don't clearly support their theory that Trump is colluding with Russia. If you have no opinion you're considered a dupe. If you defend anyone, you're considered in on it. There is no dissent from their view allowed right now. This includes Sanders supporters, as the article outlines. Their loyalty to the U.S. is being questioned for dissenting.

    That's fucked up.
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    How Russian Twitter Bots Pumped Out Fake News During The 2016 Election

    When he testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee last week, former FBI agent Clint Watts described how Russians used armies of Twitter bots to spread fake news using accounts that seem to be Midwestern swing-voter Republicans.

    "So that way whenever you're trying to socially engineer them and convince them that the information is true, it's much more simple because you see somebody and they look exactly like you, even down to the pictures," Watts told the panel, which is investigating Russia's role in interfering in the U.S. elections.


    In an interview Monday with NPR's Kelly McEvers, Watts, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, says the Russian misinformation campaign didn't stop with the election of President Trump.
    Cue the Trumpites who make excuses and invent holes and basically do everything in their power to support Russia's efforts.
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    Is someone (besides Kzach our resident idiot) confusing Twitter with news"
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Is someone (besides Kzach our resident idiot) confusing Twitter with news"
    You know, if you were deliberately this stupid in order to troll, then that would be something. But the fact that this is genuinely who you are is what should be very, very scary. To you.
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    Misty and OVi actually using Trump's "witch hunt" defense. But they totally aren't for Trump. Nope. Nada. Delusions.
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