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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoony View Post
    1. Violation of the Enoulments clause of the Constitution (day 1)
    Given even the best experts on the topic are unsure, it's a terrible primary element to hang an impeachment on.

    2. Obstruction of Justice (Firing Comey to, in his own words, drag out the Russia investigation.
    Not obstruction of justice. It's fully within his rights to fire Comey for any reason or no reason at all, and it would be unconstitutional to charge a President with obstruction of justice for doing something clearly within their stated constitutional power.

    3. Unfaithful use of the powers of the office by slandering the previous president without evidence.
    Not...anything. There's not even a cause of action there.

    I can go on. I've seen some sites get lists up to 50, a number likely higher than your IQ if you don't believe Trump should be impeached and removed. Or shot by the CIA if the Republicans don't grow a spine. They've got no choice - he'll get every spy in the agency killed running his mouth off and sucking Putin's dick.
    If those are your top three...they're terrible.

    I mean, you can impeach the President for essentially nothing. So I suppose if you were composing a list of nothing, then sure you achieved that. But none of those are even vaguely "good" reasons to impeach. In fact I would have said "general incompetence" is a much better reason than any of those very lame reasons you gave. I mean seriously, hurting the feelings of the ex-President (as if Obama didn't do that with W. Bush many times?), come on Spoony even you can do better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    Right. Which is distasteful if true.

    Unfortunately NYT does not have a copy of the "memo", and nobody at the Times has ever seen the "memo" and they're going off the word of an anonymous, "one of Mr. Comey’s associates read parts of the memo to a Times reporter."

    And then of course...it's merely distasteful but not illegal. Trump can tell Comey he hopes he ends an investigation. As the FBI said this week, "“There has been no effort to impede our investigation to date.”

    So mark it down as one more thing Trump did that makes him an an incompetent dick asshole who shouldn't be President, but still not a smoking gun illegal act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    Pretty much
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    Not only did Trump asked for the FB to stop an investigation into Flynn's ties with Russia, but Trump also asked Comey that he imprisoned reporters. Now that freedom of speech is actually threaten, the usual "alt-rightists" on these boards won't say a word about it. Typical. Almost as if they actually do not care about freedom of speech and only defend racism, sexism and hate speech.

    "Alone in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump began the discussion by condemning leaks to the news media, saying that Mr. Comey should consider putting reporters in prison for publishing classified information, according to one of Mr. Comey’s associates.

    Mr. Trump then turned the discussion to Mr. Flynn."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/u...T.nav=top-news
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Nall View Post
    What exactly would they impeach him for at this point? The president has absolute authority to declassify information at will. I'm no lawyer, but as I understand it it is not even possible for the president to commit a crime as it relates to sharing classified information.

    That is not to say that what he did was not foolish, and potentially very destructive to interests of the United States, but I'm pretty sure it's not a crime, and therefore not something that meets the "high crimes and misdemeanors" requirement for impeachment.
    Take a man with next to no understanding of geopolitics and let him declassify things willy nilly. It reminds me of the scene from Woody Allen's "Bananas" where his parents who are surgeons in the midst of operating on a patient, tell him to take over, encouraging him and saying "sure you can do it," despite the fact that he had not spent a day in medical school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    I know it's just an opinion piece, but has there ever been written anything like this about an acting president in a leading newspaper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turjan View Post
    I know it's just an opinion piece, but has there ever been written anything like this about an acting president in a leading newspaper?
    Republican propaganda sources have been writting that sort of article on Obama and Clinton for a while. Of course they do not have credibility, but if you repeat a lie enough it will become truth. At least for some people. The Republican base gobbled it up and are basically thought slaves by now. On the less fanatic, but still stupid people, it spread the seed of doubt. A good example of how this doubt is effective happened right here on CM. A few members actually believed that Obama wiretapped Trump. Doubt is effective. All these Republican propaganda pieces help undermine the credibility of institutions, like the presidency and the media, and let REpublicans say "the other side is just as bad, so elect us (or do not vote for either, that also helps us)". The consequence of the Republican propaganda machine crying wolf for so long, is that now Republicans can't see actual incompetence anymore and will only call this sort of editorial piece "fake news". Obviously, they do not know what news is. Editorials aren't news, but Republicans are use to have opinions pass as information.

    If Trump is impeached at some point, and that is not a given, it will be political, mediatic, military, intelligence and economic elites who will be behind the impeachment because they will have judged his incompetence dangerous to the status quo. The elites firing the Republican base's savior will not sit well with them and will only enrage those poor idiots even more and confirm that Washington is a "swamp". Those imbeciles want a wall, tax reductions for the rich and the repeal of their health insurance. They do not understand how incompetent, corrupt and dangerous to national security Trump is. And do not care. There masters told them over and over that they should only care about a wall, tax reductions for the rich and the repeal of their own health insurance. For an impeachment to be backed by these people, it will take more than flagrant and indisputable incompetence and corruption. I do not think there is a adjective that exist to qualify the level of obviousness needed to get support from the well trained Republican base. Sad.
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    The question at this point would be, would we rather have Trump or Pence? Either one is horrible in his own special way. It's just a matter of which horrible do we want. I'm sure the GOP is seriously considering that as well. For different reasons of course.
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    As bad as Pence is, he won't improvise a war because he read an opinion piece on Info Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    The question at this point would be, would we rather have Trump or Pence? Either one is horrible in his own special way. It's just a matter of which horrible do we want. I'm sure the GOP is seriously considering that as well. For different reasons of course.
    Personally I'd rather have Pence. The attacks on him turned out to mostly be not nearly as meaningful as initially claimed (leaving out critical details like "and then he changed his mind and has proceeded on the opposite policy for years now"), and he seems pretty darn competent to me. Certainly in the VP debate he seems like a very reasoned, patient, thoughtful man. I might not agree with all his policy positions, but I have no doubt he's given due consideration to them, and he's also demonstrated the ability to change his mind over time, without a lot of drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turjan View Post
    but has there ever been written anything like this about an acting president in a leading newspaper?
    yes

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    It just got real: Robert Mueller appointed special counsel to oversee probe into Russia's interference in 2016 election

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/robert-mue...opstories.html

    The United States Department of Justice has announced that a special counsel has been appointed to investigate Russian interference into last year's presidential election and links or coordination with the campaign of President Donald Trump.

    Former FBI Director Robert Mueller was assigned by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to "oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, and related matters."

    In a statement, Rosenstein said, "My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted. I have made no such determination. What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command."

    "I accept this responsibility and will discharge it to the best of my ability," said Mueller in a statement.

    Mueller will have 60 days to put together a budget for resources to conduct the investigation and that budget must be approved by Rosenstein. Attorney General Jeff Sessions previously recused himself from all matters related to the presidential campaign.

    "Special Counsel Mueller will have all appropriate resources to conduct a thorough and complete investigation, and I am confident that he will follow the facts, apply the law and reach a just result," said Rosenstein in the statement.

    Justice Department officials were in touch with Mueller within days of the firing of FBI Director James Comey last week. Comey confirmed in March that the bureau was actively investigating Russian influence and collusion with the Trump campaign.

    As special counsel, Mueller can be expected to have the full powers and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States attorney. These powers include the ability to take matters before a grand jury, issue subpoenas and assign federal agents to the case.

    The White House was informed of the decision an hour before it was publicly announced Wednesday and released a statement from the president over two hours later.

    "As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know -- there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity," read the statement from Trump. "I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country."

    Administration officials have previously said that they see no need for a special counsel. On Monday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the investigations led by committees in the House and Senate, plus the FBI, were sufficient.

    "I donít know why you need additional resources when you already have three entities," said Spicer.

    Mueller, 72, served as FBI director for 12 years after his nomination by President George W. Bush in 2001. Prior to leading the bureau, Mueller was the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California and served as an assistant attorney general in between stints in private practice. He joined law firm WilmerHale as a partner in 2014 but resigned "immediately upon his appointment" Wednesday, according to a firm spokesperson.

    The appointment of Mueller as special counsel comes amid a fraught week for the Trump administration. On Tuesday, ABC News learned from sources that Comey, Mueller's successor at the FBI, was asked by Trump in February to end the bureau's investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Comey then wrote of the request in a memo he shared with top FBI associates.

    Flynn was fired after it was revealed that he misled administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, about the nature of his conversations with Russian officials, including Russia's Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak, prior to Trump's inauguration.

    On Monday, it was uncovered that Trump shared classified intelligence with Russian officials, one of whom was Kislyak, during a meeting at the White House last week. The president later said he had the "absolute right" to disclose the information, even as members of his administration disputed the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    Personally I'd rather have Pence
    ...wearing a gimp suit, in a dungeon, at the bottom of the ocean.

    With no light.
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    My greatest fear with this whole craptastic theatre of the absurd that is going on right now is that Trump survives it all and the investigation turns up no collusion and exonerates Trump of any wrongdoing.

    Right now there's this tipping point where if Trump gets impeached or resigns, it will be a massive win for progressive values and democracy. But if he comes out of it shiny, then it will be just as massive a win on the flip-side for conservitards, environmental devastation and social injustice.

    And the world will tip towards one or the other based on that result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kzach View Post
    My greatest fear with this whole craptastic theatre of the absurd that is going on right now is that Trump survives it all and the investigation turns up no collusion and exonerates Trump of any wrongdoing.

    Right now there's this tipping point where if Trump gets impeached or resigns, it will be a massive win for progressive values and democracy. But if he comes out of it shiny, then it will be just as massive a win on the flip-side for conservitards, environmental devastation and social injustice.

    And the world will tip towards one or the other based on that result.
    The sky is not falling, man. If Trump survives this (and he's likely to, at this point) then the big winners will be the same ones who are already winning - the rich and powerful who live under a different set of rules than the rest of us. It'll be the status quo.

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