Thread: Living Under the Boot Heel of Our New Orange Overlord

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    Merkel is a nice woman. She explained to Trump what was the Geneva Convention. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...call?CMP=fb_gu
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    Trump is just Putin's little bitch.

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    Yeah, see, the Atlantic doesn't actually get a say in what time it is for people on the other side of the political fence. Like Republicans care what the Atlantic thinks it's time for.

    Really, you need to stop posting liberal sites telling non-liberals what it is they need to do right now to get approval from the liberal sites. No one but liberals cared before, the article won't change anything.
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    Y'know. I bet Clinton is fucking glad she isn't President.
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    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Yeah, see, the Atlantic doesn't actually get a say in what time it is for people on the other side of the political fence. Like Republicans care what the Atlantic thinks it's time for.

    Really, you need to stop posting liberal sites telling non-liberals what it is they need to do right now to get approval from the liberal sites. No one but liberals cared before, the article won't change anything.
    Eliot A. Cohen is the director of the Strategic Studies Program at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. From 2007 to 2009, he served as counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. He is the author of The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power and the Necessity of Military Force.

    He's a staunch conservative.

    You fucking moron.

    I posted it basically to watch you make a post like you just did. Small pleasures.

    By the by you should actually read it since the Atlantic is reputable.

    But you won't, because you're a fucking moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remathilis View Post
    Good thing we aren't banning Muslims, just people from countries that refuse to business with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    Good thing we aren't banning Muslims, just people from countries that refuse to business with Trump.
    As it is likely clear by now, the order actually doesn't list the countries. It instead refers to a list of countries designated by the DHS in 2015/2016. It appears as if the major difference between this order and one enacted by Former President Obama is that the this order bans entry completely while the previous one added steps to increase vetting from those countries.
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    For those that are worried, some fuel to the fire, and for those that aren't, some more alarmism:

    https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/tr...1d5#.rfykqry05

    (1) Priebus made two public statements today. One is that the ban on Muslims will no longer be applied to green card holders. Notably absent from his statement was anything about people with other types of visa (including long-term ones), or anything about the DHS’ power to unilaterally revoke green cards in bulk.

    The other was that the omission of Jews from the statement for Holocaust Remembrance Day was deliberate and is not regretted.
    A point of note here is that Priebus is the one making these statements, which is not normally the Chief of Staff’s job. I’ll come back to that below.

    (2) Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.


    (3) CNN has a detailed story (heavily sourced) about the process by which this ban was created and announced. Notable in this is that the DHS’ lawyers objected to the order, specifically its exclusion of green card holders, as illegal, and also pressed for there to be a grace period so that people currently out of the country wouldn’t be stranded — and they were personally overruled by Bannon and Stephen Miller. Also notable is that career DHS staff, up to and including the head of Customs & Border Patrol, were kept entirely out of the loop until the order was signed.


    (4) The Guardian is reporting (heavily sourced) that the “mass resignations” of nearly all senior staff at the State Department on Thursday were not, in fact, resignations, but a purge ordered by the White House. As the diagram below (by Emily Roslin v Praze) shows, this leaves almost nobody in the entire senior staff of the State Department at this point.

    As the Guardian points out, this has an important and likely not accidental effect: it leaves the State Department entirely unstaffed during these critical first weeks, when orders like the Muslim ban (which they would normally resist) are coming down.

    The article points out another point worth highlighting: “In the past, the state department has been asked to set up early foreign contacts for an incoming administration. This time however it has been bypassed, and Trump’s immediate circle of Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Reince Priebus are making their own calls.”

    (5) On Inauguration Day, Trump apparently filed his candidacy for 2020. Beyond being unusual, this opens up the ability for him to start accepting “campaign contributions” right away. Given that a sizable fraction of the campaign funds from the previous cycle were paid directly to the Trump organization in exchange for building leases, etc., at inflated rates, you can assume that those campaign coffers are a mechanism by which US nationals can easily give cash bribes directly to Trump. Non-US nationals can, of course, continue to use Trump’s hotels and other businesses as a way to funnel money to him.


    (6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

    Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”
    Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.

    https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/wh...c3a#.b3lk3hbwa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    As it is likely clear by now...
    Yeah... I know. I was poking both sides of the political divide. Joke failure.
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    Trump just signed a decree demanding that for each regulation that is enforced, two must be repealed. What a moronic idea. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...34365?cmpid=sf
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    So, throughout the campaign, Trump had a habit of accusing his enemies of the exact thing he was doing: saying Clinton had conflicts of interests due the Clinton foundation when his are several orders of magnitude greater, also telling her "your the puppet," when she brought up his ties to Russia in the debate (Hmmm... does this mean it's Trumps dad who assassinated JFK?). It's a classic tactic, to accuse your enemy of doing what you plan to do.

    In other news,

    Quote Originally Posted by Politico
    "The joint statement of former presidential candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration. The two ... .Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III," Trump wrote.
    Hoo boy.

    EDIT to point out that I am in fact making a funny, before I get a dour refutation from someone...
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    https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/tr...1d5#.v77j2lx22

    Fun stuff. highlights:
    #1: not specifically mentioning Jews for Holocaust rememberance day was on purpose. Trump admin knew about the green card problem but did it anyway.
    #2: despite them walking it back, it was intended as a muslim ban.
    #3: Mass 'resignations' at the State department was a purge.
    #4: Trump is already campaigning for 2020.
    #5: A detail from the golden shower memo turns out to be true. the chance that it's a coincidence is small; so much for the "4chan troll" theory.
    #6: The 'let him enforce it' around the court stay may be a test of whether DHS will be loyal to him or the courts.
    #7: assuming #6 works out in his favor, he has the means, motive, and opportunity for a coup.

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    That's funny, right?
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    I think ovi's right.

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    I heard the ex-KGB chief who supplied Michael Steele with much of his dossier was found dead!
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