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    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    Yeah, because in your world treason shouldn't be punished?
    If you start with somebody who collaborates with a foreign government to win the presidency, I'm game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remathilis View Post
    So refreshing to see a repug who doesn't advocate for American exceptionalism. #Theydoittoo

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    So you think we should let just any and all comers in while other countries don't. Why the double standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    So you think we should let just any and all comers in while other countries don't. Why the double standard?
    We don't "let just any and all comers in". We have processes in place to vet people who come into this country, and based on my understanding of it, they're not insignificant barriers. Why are those processes inadequate such that we need a blanket ban on the seven countries specified by the executive order? And why was a country with strong ties to terrorism (Saudia Arabia) not included on that list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    Hardly. I've been to a bunch of places in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. Every single place I've been to does what Trump wants to do in preventing entry to undesirables.
    How did you get in, then?
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    The travel ban was basically a low-effort troll. Citizens of all those countries had already to jump through considerable hoops to get a visa for the US. While Trump may hit his main target, Syrian refugees, with the measure, it's the same as with most immigration measures: it's a show made for the American public, while those with already vetted visas are hit by the fallout.

    One person hit by this measure is for example the German parliamentarian who heads the U.S.-German relations. He has also an Iranian passport (Iran doesn't release citizens from their citizenship, even if they want to), which means he cannot travel to the US anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    Due to ambiguity in the wording of the Muslim ban, thousands upon thousands of immigrants who are currently here legally with green cards or visas may have just had their status altered to being here illegally.
    No, I don't think so. Despite what you may think, the link between entry visas and the permit to stay is only rather loose. My entry visas usually expired long before my permits to stay expired. This was one of the reasons why I didn't leave the country that often. The procedures at the US consulates were a hassle, and they changed all the time.
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    So in other words, all of this hoopla is a distraction. A clever distraction, but a distraction nonetheless.
    Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?"

    I is before E except after C, then it's chaos man, mass chaos! Letters coming together into words, but then you go English and they put U's in places that just shouldn't go there... AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remathilis View Post
    Can we figure out what countries Dylan Roof's, Jared Loughner's, and Adam Lanza's families came from and ban immigrants from those nations too?
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    The world must be such a scary place for you.
    Don't you two get it? Such standards only apply to [insert people that unthinking fuckwits like 3cat doesn't like here].

    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    Yeah, because in your world treason shouldn't be punished?
    My god you're dumb. You've just repeated the same fallacious argument that all moronic idiots in the_donald parrot. That because some people don't think innocent people should be persecuted, that it somehow means those people also think treason isn't a crime. I've got some news for you, the people being affected by this visa debacle aren't terrorists. No treason has been committed. Therefore, supporting them isn't treasonous and it doesn't mean that such support negates any desire for those committing treason to be punished.

    Come on now, surely you see how stupid your comment was and will apologise and, with great humility, accept and admit that you were wrong?

    I predict you won't and instead you'll just double-down and call me a treasonous traitor. It's what the_donald residents would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3catcircus View Post
    The ones you are referring to may have been born in the US, but they are the children of people who came here with little or no intent to assimilate. They also overwhelmingly have gone back to those shithole countries to receive training in radical islam and jihad with the intent to come back and wage acts of terrorism on the US.

    Fuck them.
    Fuck you, you smarmy white-privileged racist shitball. Fuck you and your fucking bullshit.
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    Number of US citizens killed in the US by citizens of each of the 7 banned countries since 1975:

    Iraq - 0
    Iran - 0
    Somalia - 0
    Sudan - 0
    Syria - 0
    Yemen - 0
    Libya - 0

    Number of US citizens killed since 1975 in the US by citizens of Muslim countries not banned, but doing business with Trump:

    Saudi Arabia - 2369
    Egypt - 162
    UAE - 314
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    Number of US citizens killed since 1975 in the US by citizens of Muslim countries not banned, but doing business with Trump:

    Saudi Arabia - 2369
    Egypt - 162
    UAE - 314
    Eh, they were probably all liberals though so it's OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    Number of US citizens killed in the US by citizens of each of the 7 banned countries since 1975:

    Iraq - 0
    Iran - 0
    Somalia - 0
    Sudan - 0
    Syria - 0
    Yemen - 0
    Libya - 0
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...istory/514868/

    I am not surprised by President Donald Trump’s antics this week. Not by the big splashy pronouncements such as announcing a wall that he would force Mexico to pay for, even as the Mexican foreign minister held talks with American officials in Washington. Not by the quiet, but no less dangerous bureaucratic orders, such as kicking the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff out of meetings of the Principals’ Committee, the senior foreign-policy decision-making group below the president, while inserting his chief ideologist, Steve Bannon, into them. Many conservative foreign-policy and national-security experts saw the dangers last spring and summer, which is why we signed letters denouncing not Trump’s policies but his temperament; not his program but his character.

    We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations.

    Precisely because the problem is one of temperament and character, it will not get better. It will get worse, as power intoxicates Trump and those around him. It will probably end in calamity—substantial domestic protest and violence, a breakdown of international economic relationships, the collapse of major alliances, or perhaps one or more new wars (even with China) on top of the ones we already have. It will not be surprising in the slightest if his term ends not in four or in eight years, but sooner, with impeachment or removal under the 25th Amendment. The sooner Americans get used to these likelihoods, the better.

    The question is, what should Americans do about it? To friends still thinking of serving as political appointees in this administration, beware: When you sell your soul to the Devil, he prefers to collect his purchase on the installment plan. Trump’s disregard for either Secretary of Defense Mattis or Secretary-designate Tillerson in his disastrous policy salvos this week, in favor of his White House advisers, tells you all you need to know about who is really in charge. To be associated with these people is going to be, for all but the strongest characters, an exercise in moral self-destruction.

    For the community of conservative thinkers and experts, and more importantly, conservative politicians, this is a testing time. Either you stand up for your principles and for what you know is decent behavior, or you go down, if not now, then years from now, as a coward or opportunist. Your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    Last edited by GreyOne; January 30th, 2017 at 01:44 AM.
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