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    The graph above doesn't give an accurate picture, as per capita emissions are more meaningful. China is 21st.

    Carbon dioxide emissions in 2015. Right hand column is tons per person per year:

    Qatar 88,825 0.25% 39.7
    Kuwait 95,013 0.26% 24.4
    United Arab Emirates 199,253 0.55% 21.8
    Australia 446,348 1.24% 18.6
    Turkmenistan 94,236 0.26% 17.5
    Oman 78,446 0.22% 17.5
    United States 5,172,338 14.34% 16.1
    Saudi Arabia 505,565 1.40% 16.0
    Canada 555,401 1.54% 15.5
    Kazakhstan 267,978 0.74% 15.2
    Russia 1,760,895 4.88% 12.3
    South Korea 617,285 1.71% 12.3
    Taiwan 279,174 0.77% 11.9
    Czech Republic 111,092 0.31% 10.5
    Japan 1,252,890 3.47% 9.9
    Germany 777,905 2.16% 9.6
    Belgium 97,002 0.27% 8.6
    Malaysia 245,371 0.68% 8.1
    Iran 633,750 1.76% 8.0
    Netherlands 165,317 0.46% 7.8
    China 10,641,789 29.51% 7.7
    The Australians are very dirty.

    Total greenhouse emissions, per capita. China is 51st:

    Country 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013
    Kuwait 37.32 73.13 65.64 76.41 62.47 54.41
    Brunei 48.33 46.38 46.49 44.83 46.88 46.84
    Niue 16.4 16.8 19.05 24.3 28.65 45.6
    Qatar 29.75 37.3 41.58 52.1 39.13 36.82
    Belize 29.05 29.84 28.55 28.11 28.29 28.15
    Oman 22.0 22.92 27.97 25.84 27.82 27.43
    Bahrain 27.27 29.64 29.19 27.78 24.4 25.4
    Australia 28.06 27.28 30.84 27.6 25.39 25.06
    United Arab Emirates 40.13 38.81 34.89 32.13 23.73 24.59
    Libya 21.16 19.43 18.66 20.91 22.63 21.47
    Canada 20.22 20.69 22.12 21.94 20.47 20.94
    Turkmenistan 13.39 14.51 18.13 19.44 20.93
    Luxembourg 21.14 27.86 23.82 20.72
    United States 23.23 23.26 23.86 22.92 20.97 19.9
    Equatorial Guinea 0.52 2.7 13.89 25.83 21.33 19.15
    Trinidad and Tobago 12.31 11.22 12.42 16.4 19.11 19.15
    Grenada 16.29 16.63 17.28 17.82 18.39 18.89
    Saudi Arabia 11.49 13.29 13.39 14.67 17.69 18.26
    Kazakhstan 14.43 10.37 13.73 17.28 18.23
    Estonia 14.4 13.53 15.77 17.3 17.66
    Palau 6.98 6.74 10.3 11.64 17.03
    New Zealand 19.01 18.27 18.4 18.77 16.86 16.62
    Russia 14.45 13.92 14.7 15.21 15.31
    Mongolia 12.81 11.28 11.48 10.13 10.91 13.47
    South Korea 6.77 9.45 10.77 11.24 13.02 13.43
    Ireland 15.04 15.76 17.39 16.77 13.57 12.65
    Barbados 11.01 10.38 11.69 12.17 12.64 12.53
    Finland 14.75 14.62 13.9 13.26 14.2 11.69
    Israel 9.4 10.9 11.82 11.34 11.74 11.46
    Czech Republic 14.05 13.76 13.47 12.39 11.42
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.31 6.53 7.08 8.77 10.69 11.22
    Netherlands 13.18 13.93 12.85 12.4 12.01 11.09
    Germany 14.59 12.9 11.89 11.36 11.03 11.0
    Central African Republic 12.21 11.98 11.8 11.28 10.78 10.94
    Japan 9.4 9.91 10.04 10.16 9.54 10.55
    Malaysia 5.72 6.79 7.91 9.33 9.94 10.2
    Belgium 13.26 12.16 11.44 10.17
    Uruguay 8.38 9.15 8.83 9.6 9.71 9.98
    Singapore 10.28 11.82 11.88 9.48 9.84 9.88
    Belarus 8.23 7.84 8.63 9.66 9.55
    South Africa 8.18 7.77 7.71 9.23 9.5 9.49
    Poland 11.23 10.7 9.4 9.6 9.82 9.43
    Denmark 12.97 14.24 12.48 11.59 11.03 9.38
    Iran 4.46 5.9 6.69 8.08 9.03 9.26
    Norway 10.69 10.59 10.48 10.41 10.09 9.18
    Austria 9.71 9.55 9.59 10.79 9.85 9.15
    Bahamas 8.31 6.69 6.32 6.03 7.58 9.04
    Iceland 12.06 10.27 11.15 10.43 8.9 8.96
    Venezuela 8.62 8.73 8.7 8.85 9.08 8.85
    Slovenia 8.92 9.01 9.67 9.3 8.72
    China 2.69 3.39 3.49 5.5 7.43 8.49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tension View Post
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    The graph above doesn't give an accurate picture, as per capita emissions are more meaningful. China is 21st.

    Carbon dioxide emissions in 2015. Right hand column is tons per person per year:

    Qatar 88,825 0.25% 39.7
    Kuwait 95,013 0.26% 24.4
    United Arab Emirates 199,253 0.55% 21.8
    Australia 446,348 1.24% 18.6
    Turkmenistan 94,236 0.26% 17.5
    Oman 78,446 0.22% 17.5
    United States 5,172,338 14.34% 16.1
    Saudi Arabia 505,565 1.40% 16.0
    Canada 555,401 1.54% 15.5
    Kazakhstan 267,978 0.74% 15.2
    Russia 1,760,895 4.88% 12.3
    South Korea 617,285 1.71% 12.3
    Taiwan 279,174 0.77% 11.9
    Czech Republic 111,092 0.31% 10.5
    Japan 1,252,890 3.47% 9.9
    Germany 777,905 2.16% 9.6
    Belgium 97,002 0.27% 8.6
    Malaysia 245,371 0.68% 8.1
    Iran 633,750 1.76% 8.0
    Netherlands 165,317 0.46% 7.8
    China 10,641,789 29.51% 7.7
    The Australians are very dirty.

    Total greenhouse emissions, per capita. China is 51st:

    Country 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013
    Kuwait 37.32 73.13 65.64 76.41 62.47 54.41
    Brunei 48.33 46.38 46.49 44.83 46.88 46.84
    Niue 16.4 16.8 19.05 24.3 28.65 45.6
    Qatar 29.75 37.3 41.58 52.1 39.13 36.82
    Belize 29.05 29.84 28.55 28.11 28.29 28.15
    Oman 22.0 22.92 27.97 25.84 27.82 27.43
    Bahrain 27.27 29.64 29.19 27.78 24.4 25.4
    Australia 28.06 27.28 30.84 27.6 25.39 25.06
    United Arab Emirates 40.13 38.81 34.89 32.13 23.73 24.59
    Libya 21.16 19.43 18.66 20.91 22.63 21.47
    Canada 20.22 20.69 22.12 21.94 20.47 20.94
    Turkmenistan 13.39 14.51 18.13 19.44 20.93
    Luxembourg 21.14 27.86 23.82 20.72
    United States 23.23 23.26 23.86 22.92 20.97 19.9
    Equatorial Guinea 0.52 2.7 13.89 25.83 21.33 19.15
    Trinidad and Tobago 12.31 11.22 12.42 16.4 19.11 19.15
    Grenada 16.29 16.63 17.28 17.82 18.39 18.89
    Saudi Arabia 11.49 13.29 13.39 14.67 17.69 18.26
    Kazakhstan 14.43 10.37 13.73 17.28 18.23
    Estonia 14.4 13.53 15.77 17.3 17.66
    Palau 6.98 6.74 10.3 11.64 17.03
    New Zealand 19.01 18.27 18.4 18.77 16.86 16.62
    Russia 14.45 13.92 14.7 15.21 15.31
    Mongolia 12.81 11.28 11.48 10.13 10.91 13.47
    South Korea 6.77 9.45 10.77 11.24 13.02 13.43
    Ireland 15.04 15.76 17.39 16.77 13.57 12.65
    Barbados 11.01 10.38 11.69 12.17 12.64 12.53
    Finland 14.75 14.62 13.9 13.26 14.2 11.69
    Israel 9.4 10.9 11.82 11.34 11.74 11.46
    Czech Republic 14.05 13.76 13.47 12.39 11.42
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.31 6.53 7.08 8.77 10.69 11.22
    Netherlands 13.18 13.93 12.85 12.4 12.01 11.09
    Germany 14.59 12.9 11.89 11.36 11.03 11.0
    Central African Republic 12.21 11.98 11.8 11.28 10.78 10.94
    Japan 9.4 9.91 10.04 10.16 9.54 10.55
    Malaysia 5.72 6.79 7.91 9.33 9.94 10.2
    Belgium 13.26 12.16 11.44 10.17
    Uruguay 8.38 9.15 8.83 9.6 9.71 9.98
    Singapore 10.28 11.82 11.88 9.48 9.84 9.88
    Belarus 8.23 7.84 8.63 9.66 9.55
    South Africa 8.18 7.77 7.71 9.23 9.5 9.49
    Poland 11.23 10.7 9.4 9.6 9.82 9.43
    Denmark 12.97 14.24 12.48 11.59 11.03 9.38
    Iran 4.46 5.9 6.69 8.08 9.03 9.26
    Norway 10.69 10.59 10.48 10.41 10.09 9.18
    Austria 9.71 9.55 9.59 10.79 9.85 9.15
    Bahamas 8.31 6.69 6.32 6.03 7.58 9.04
    Iceland 12.06 10.27 11.15 10.43 8.9 8.96
    Venezuela 8.62 8.73 8.7 8.85 9.08 8.85
    Slovenia 8.92 9.01 9.67 9.3 8.72
    China 2.69 3.39 3.49 5.5 7.43 8.49
    No, per capita for China includes the huge number of people living in third world sustenance conditions in much of China. Tons of CO2 per unit GDP is more interesting, but still failing to tell the whole story. Regardless of the metric you prefer to tell your story, if CO2 emissions are bad, China is the worst at it. I'm always impressed by the willingness to forgive some major producers of CO2 because its politic to do so. Always strikes me as failing to live up to the climate change is bad mantra when it only applies to the US and Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    No, per capita for China includes the huge number of people living in third world sustenance conditions in much of China.
    I think you mean subsistence. And 60% of Chinese are now urbanized; it is predicted to reach an urban population of 1 billion by 2030.

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    I'm always impressed by the willingness to forgive some major producers of CO2 because its politic to do so. Always strikes me as failing to live up to the climate change is bad mantra when it only applies to the US and Europe.
    You ascribe a motive where none exists - you shouldn't do that. I'm not banging a pro-Chinese drum - there's no doubt that it needs to get its shit together, or we're all fucked - just by virtue of its size. But Western countries that are producing twice as much CO2 per capita have no moral authority to criticize Chinese emissions.

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    Wait, in Total greenhouse emissions, per capita, the U.S. does better than Canada?
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    I wonder who else had to Google Niue?
    Not hypersmurf, I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tension View Post
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    I think you mean subsistence. And 60% of Chinese are now urbanized; it is predicted to reach an urban population of 1 billion by 2030.



    You ascribe a motive where none exists - you shouldn't do that. I'm not banging a pro-Chinese drum - there's no doubt that it needs to get its shit together, or we're all fucked - just by virtue of its size. But Western countries that are producing twice as much CO2 per capita have no moral authority to criticize Chinese emissions.
    I wasn't a pro-Chinese drum I thought you were banging. It was the forgiveness extended to China because they aren't the US or European. If you project out, China is rapidly approaching US levels of per capita emission. They're at the bottom of per GDP emission -- note that, one of the fastest growing economy in the world has massive pollution per unit of that economy. The trends for both show that China isn't a bastion of clean energy -- their amount of clean energy looks impressive if you take it at the total generation levels, but that's the same mistake you're saying looking at total pollution numbers makes. The fraction of their energy generation that is clean is pitiable if you remove hydro, which is the vast bulk of it and comes at the expense of China building dams and destroying landscape at an impressive rate. Hydro is a limited cap due to geography, and, while China has a lot of suitable geography (like Quebec), it's running out of the useful builds. The 20% of generation by 2030 is a number sold for consumption, not for actualization.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    It was the forgiveness extended to China because they aren't the US or European.
    Nah. It is just about being factual. Like saying that women face systemic sexism or that there is systemic racism against black people. It is reactionaries and other "alt-rightists" who then try to ascribe an agenda to people who just voice facts because they do not like the facts voiced.

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    I wonder who else had to Google Niue?
    Was it me? I bet it was me!
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    Not me.





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    So what's it gonna be today folks.

    1) Non-story that doesn't matter because nothing happened, please move along sir.

    2) Fake news

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