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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    The debates were set up that way long before the piece of shit ever announced.
    Ok, then let's put it this way. The debates were set up to prevent anyone from getting any name recognition if they didn't already have it. Basically, that meant that they were set up so that it would take a lot for Clinton to lose much if she screwed them up. It didn't let Sanders, or any of the other Dem candidates, get the kind of name recognition that Clinton had, preventing anyone from really having much of a chance against her. So, not collusion against Sanders but collusion for Clinton.

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    Ok, then let's put it this way. The debates were set up to prevent anyone from getting any name recognition if they didn't already have it. Basically, that meant that they were set up so that it would take a lot for Clinton to lose much if she screwed them up. It didn't let Sanders, or any of the other Dem candidates, get the kind of name recognition that Clinton had, preventing anyone from really having much of a chance against her. So, not collusion against Sanders but collusion for Clinton.
    You are ignoring the blatant fact of what the DNC desired. They wanted a Democrat with a chance of winning the general election being the nominee. That was why they were designed the way they were.

    And the same shit happened in 2007/2008. Precisely the same format. A little known Senator from Illinois ended up defeating Clinton then.
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    I'm still beyond understanding why precisely Bernie Sanders was a piece of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    You are ignoring the blatant fact of what the DNC desired. They wanted a Democrat with a chance of winning the general election being the nominee. That was why they were designed the way they were.

    And the same shit happened in 2007/2008. Precisely the same format. A little known Senator from Illinois ended up defeating Clinton then.
    Nope, it didn't. There were 26 debates in 2008, most of them before the primaries started. Further, you were wrong above. The Sanders campaign unofficially began in late April, while the debate dates and times were announced in early May. There was an exclusivity rule that prevented the candidates from participating in debates that weren't the DNC debates. And there was the scheduling of the debates. At times where viewership was guaranteed to be lower. All of this made it more difficult for anyone who didn't have much national exposure already from getting same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    ... A little known Senator from Illinois ended up defeating Clinton then.
    President Obama won that primary for a number of reasons:

    -- His short time in the Senate meant he didn't have to defend a long, mixed record
    -- His skin color resulted in a bigger than normal turnout among certain demographics
    -- The man is a scary good orator when he has prepped material - (I think he's every bit as good at connecting with his audience as Reagan was in his prime)
    -- The Hollywood Dems went all in with him, which meant he really owned the new media and the younger voters

    He beat Clinton because he was better at being "the alternative" than she was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    They wanted a Democrat with a chance of winning the general election being the nominee.
    Man, they really fucked shit up this cycle didn't they?

    Good luck next cycle in keeping with "everything is fine, we didn't make a mistake, all those voters did" attitude.



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    I'm still beyond understanding why precisely Bernie Sanders was a piece of shit.
    He's not a Democrat, obviously. If you want real answers like his stance on gun control or economics you're barking up the wrong shill.



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    He beat Clinton because he was better at being "a relatable human being" than she was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    Ok, then let's put it this way. The debates were set up to prevent anyone from getting any name recognition if they didn't already have it. Basically, that meant that they were set up so that it would take a lot for Clinton to lose much if she screwed them up. It didn't let Sanders, or any of the other Dem candidates, get the kind of name recognition that Clinton had, preventing anyone from really having much of a chance against her. So, not collusion against Sanders but collusion for Clinton.
    The establishment working for the election of a particular candidate ain't nothing new or limited to one party. It doesn't make it morally correct, I'm surprised people suddenly realized this. And it isn't the conspiracy Misty claims.

    The reason why the Republican establishment couldn't pull it off with Trump is that they didn't know who behind which weak candidate to rally behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    I just did. Sanders is a lower piece of shit than Trump.
    What the holy delusional fuck? He has a life-long track record of progressive activism and voting in the senate.

    It seems that your only reason for hating him is that he ran in the election, at all.

    You want to blame everyone else but Hillary for losing the election. Try blaming yourself for not seeing that she wasn't, and never was going to be, a successful candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kzach View Post
    What the holy delusional fuck? He has a life-long track record of progressive activism and voting in the senate.

    It seems that your only reason for hating him is that he ran in the election, at all.

    You want to blame everyone else but Hillary for losing the election. Try blaming yourself for not seeing that she wasn't, and never was going to be, a successful candidate.
    If the slimy assed piece of shit wanted to seek the Democratic nomination in 2016, he should have publicly joined the party no later than 2014.

    Fuck the lower than Trump piece of shit. At least Trump had the balls to join the Republican well in advance of seeing the nominatioin.

    I have nothing but pure contempt for Sanders. He's a walking talking piece of shit.
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    The reason so many of you are having trouble here is a complete disconnect with X. This is due to the fact that he has taken the position that Party matters more than candidate.

    It's an interesting position to take. I don't agree with it, but his candidate, no matter who it is, will likely always outperform a 3rd party choice.

    Sanders sin was trying to be a communist party candidate in the new way democrat party. It will be interesting to see how long Clinton's power holds and that is true. I see the democrats getting far more socialist in the next 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    If the slimy assed piece of shit wanted to seek the Democratic nomination in 2016, he should have publicly joined the party no later than 2014.

    Fuck the lower than Trump piece of shit. At least Trump had the balls to join the Republican well in advance of seeing the nominatioin.

    I have nothing but pure contempt for Sanders. He's a walking talking piece of shit.
    So, he did something that was allowed by the rules of the party and the party allowed it. Because he followed the rules, you hate him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    The reason so many of you are having trouble here is a complete disconnect with X. This is due to the fact that he has taken the position that Party matters more than candidate.

    It's an interesting position to take. I don't agree with it, but his candidate, no matter who it is, will likely always outperform a 3rd party choice.

    Sanders sin was trying to be a communist party candidate in the new way democrat party. It will be interesting to see how long Clinton's power holds and that is true. I see the democrats getting far more socialist in the next 10 years.
    What most people fail to recognize is that everything in politics comes down to the agendas of the two parties and all of it comes down to a numbers game. Any time a Republican gets elected to any office at any level, it advances the Republican agenda. Any time a Democrat gets elected to any office at any level, it advances the Democratic agenda.

    It's a pure numbers game. I play to win. Anything other than that or that gets in the way of that is bullshit.

    On Edit: By way of example, I knew for a FACT that Rod Blagojevich was a criminal in 2006 when I voted for his stupid ass for governor of Illinois. Judy Baar-Topinka was also a criminal, but she was smarter and would probably have never been caught like the dumbass, Blagojevich, ended up doing. That was a pure numbers game. Let me lay it out for you.

    I knew Barack Hussein Obama, Senator from Illinois, was on a fast track for the White House in 2006 when I cast my vote for that criminal, Blagojevich. I also believed he would likely win his bid. I had believed this since the moment I met the man in October 2003.

    I cast my vote for the criminal in the expectation that he would not be driven out of office before early 2009 because I wanted a Democratic governor to appoint a Democrat to replace Barack Obama in the US Senate after Obama won the White House.

    Numbers. That's how the game is played.

    And doing it my way played out. Nearly all of the Obama agenda that actually passed Congress happened during the time period between Al Franken being seated in the Senate after a long and bitter recount in Minnesota, and the death of Edward Kennedy. During this time period there were 60 Democratic Senators, the magic number to overcome the unprecedented Republican filibuster obstruction. One of those Democratic Senators was Roland Burris, appointed by Rod Blagojevich to replace Barack Obama after he resigned to be inaugurated as POTUS.

    A. Numbers. Game.

    Its always about the party and never about the candidate. Had Sanders been nominated, he would not have won. IF by some miracle he had won, he would have met overwhelming opposition by both parties in the Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post
    If the slimy assed piece of shit wanted to seek the Democratic nomination in 2016, he should have publicly joined the party no later than 2014.

    Fuck the lower than Trump piece of shit. At least Trump had the balls to join the Republican well in advance of seeing the nominatioin.

    I have nothing but pure contempt for Sanders. He's a walking talking piece of shit.
    He said he didn't change his party affiliation because he was elected as an Independent and felt that changing that during his term of office would be wrong. Suppose, in 2018, he joins the Democrat Party. He said in November 2015 that he would run as a Democrat from then on. Suppose he is re-elected in 2018 as Senator of Vermont as a registered Democrat. Further suppose that he runs for President again in 2020. Still slimy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
    He said he didn't change his party affiliation because he was elected as an Independent and felt that changing that during his term of office would be wrong. Suppose, in 2018, he joins the Democrat Party. He said in November 2015 that he would run as a Democrat from then on. Suppose he is re-elected in 2018 as Senator of Vermont as a registered Democrat. Further suppose that he runs for President again in 2020. Still slimy?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    In October, of 2015 he filed for his campaign committee to seek re-election in 2018 as an INDEPENDENT (look at the party listed on the document).
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    On November 5th it was reported he had filed as a Democrat the previous Thursday.

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