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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarbonac View Post
    Aaaaand you're still too dumb to breathe.
    There are lots of negative descriptions you can honestly throw at Ovi, but "too dumb to breathe" is not a credible one. You just look like a petulant child for that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
    There are lots of negative descriptions you can honestly throw at Ovi, but "too dumb to breathe" is not a credible one. You just look like a petulant child for that one.
    Examples?
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Examples?
    Well, you write on these boards, so you must breathe somehow. Unless you're a Russian bot, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Examples?
    Sheep face!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    Sheep face!
    Obvious, but fair.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/67620...nt-settlements.

    [h=Congress To Make Members Pay Out Of Pocket For Sexual Harassment Settlements]1[/h]
    Congressional negotiators have reached an agreement to overhaul the system for handling accusations of sexual misconduct against members, including a requirement that members pay out of pocket for some settlements and court judgments.
    "For too long, victims of sexual harassment in Congress have been forced into a process that lacks transparency and accountability, and fails them at a time when they need the most support," said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., a lead negotiator on the bill. "Our bipartisan, bicameral legislation — which we expect to pass in the coming days — will overhaul this broken process, ensure victims can immediately seek justice, and hold Members of Congress accountable."


    The deal comes after nearly a yearlong standoff between the House and the Senate over member liability and other issues in the bill. Senate rules committee Chairman Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the chief GOP negotiator in the Senate, says he expects the bill will pass the Senate this week to ensure staffers are better-protected when a new Congress begins in January.
    "We'll do it as quickly as we can," Blunt said. "No other employer in America would deal with this issue this way. We have here a level of exposure that you wouldn't have if you worked anywhere else."
    Blunt says the bill is a compromise between the House legislation, which would have made members liable for all settlements, and the Senate bill, which included caps on how much members would have to pay out of their own pockets.



    Under the new rules, member liability would be capped in cases where a court assesses damages, but there would be no cap when cases end in settlements, Blunt said. Currently, settlements are paid through taxpayer-funded accounts members use to pay for office salaries and expenses.
    Under the agreement, there would be a maximum cap of $300,000 on member liability for court-awarded judgments in certain cases, according to aides familiar with the legislation.
    The Treasury Department would still be responsible for making initial payments to victims in order to ensure there are no delays, the aides said. Members would then be required to repay the government on a set schedule.
    The deal provides legal counsel for House staff who file complaints and legal assistance to Senate staff. It would also eliminate a mandatory 30-day "cooling-off period" before someone can file a complaint.



    All settlements and awards involving members would be made public at the time of the settlement, and an annual review would be released to the public.
    The compromise falls short of the sweeping changes House members hoped to enact, but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has vowed to pass additional rules when Democrats take control of the House next year.
    I guess that's progress.

    Interestingly, if there is a liability cap for court awarding damages but not for settlements, does that mean that accused are less likely to settle and actually would get convicted? But what victims does this actually apply to? Were and are these only special rules for congress members and their staff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/67620...nt-settlements.


    I guess that's progress.

    Interestingly, if there is a liability cap for court awarding damages but not for settlements, does that mean that accused are less likely to settle and actually would get convicted? But what victims does this actually apply to? Were and are these only special rules for congress members and their staff?
    There is no conviction for civil cases. Civil cases deal primarily with liability and monetary awards. What it means is that these politicians are less likely to settle and the women will now be raked over the coals in civil court much more often when they come forward, so you will see fewer women come forward. This wasn't a step forward, but a step backward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    This wasn't a step forward, but a step backward.
    In the wake of #metoo, I disagree.


    And yes, these are steps to help ensure there are less backroom deals kept int he dark and that it's drug out into the light. Greater accountability is a win on all sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    There is no conviction for civil cases. Civil cases deal primarily with liability and monetary awards. What it means is that these politicians are less likely to settle and the women will now be raked over the coals in civil court much more often when they come forward, so you will see fewer women come forward. This wasn't a step forward, but a step backward.
    Court is ruinously expensive and very risky of being even more expensive if you lose. There are also plenty of lawyers willing to take these cases right now on contingency. I doubt we'll see more cases going before a jury.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
    Court is ruinously expensive and very risky of being even more expensive if you lose. There are also plenty of lawyers willing to take these cases right now on contingency. I doubt we'll see more cases going before a jury.
    Right. Like I said, fewer women will come forward. Politicians now have lost the incentive to settle with them. This was a step backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nail bunny View Post
    And yes, these are steps to help ensure there are less backroom deals kept int he dark and that it's drug out into the light. Greater accountability is a win on all sides.
    These women might have the satisfaction of seeing some of the politicians resign if they come forward, but they will see fewer paydays for their pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    These women might have the satisfaction of seeing some of the politicians resign if they come forward, but they will see fewer paydays for their pain.
    Since most of the payouts go to lawyers, women have to be satisfied to see the politicians resign. It's one of the few perks of coming forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinke View Post
    Since most of the payouts go to lawyers, women have to be satisfied to see the politicians resign. It's one of the few perks of coming forward.
    No, most of the payouts do not go to lawyers. Lawyers only take a percentage for contingency cases, which is almost always between 25% and 40%, with a third being most common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMaxperson View Post
    Right. Like I said, fewer women will come forward. Politicians now have lost the incentive to settle with them. This was a step backwards.
    That's totally not what I said. The incentive to settle is just as strong now as it was -- it's still way cheaper for the Congresscritters to settle than to go to court. They aren't super rich to the point that long court battles are a trivial expense to them, and the risks are huge that it'll be even worse if it gets to a jury -- who aren't predisposed to think that Congress persons are good, noble people that don't abuse their power. Actually going to court is the absolute LAST thing a politician wants -- then it's public because court cases are presumed to be in the public interest.

    You're not making any sense. What this does is remove the get out of jail free card and replace it with a 'if you fuck up, we're not paying' card. The calculus for settling isn't changed, it's the calculus for getting in trouble in the first place that's changed. It's no longer 'behave badly and Congress will bail you out' it's 'behave badly and you pay for it yourself.' That doesn't mean more political monkeys will go to court, it means they'll be more circumspect.
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