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    Quote Originally Posted by guyjin View Post
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    i.e. just enough of the truth to make the lie convincing.
    You haven't actually read Infowars, have you?
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    I think ovi's right.

 

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    So, Mustrum, how does it feel to have the PUSA insult your head of state and be a petty little shitcunt?
    A minor detail in the fuckup that is Trump as president. There is only so much I can shake my head at the US...

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    Another interesting article on partisanship and psychology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox
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    More than ever before, people of different ideological backgrounds seem to live in separate universes. One example: In the days after the inauguration, social scientists showed participants photos of Trump’s inaugural crowd and Obama’s. Those who had voted for Trump were more likely to say Trump had the larger turnout, despite obvious differences in the photos that demonstrated otherwise.

    Psychology can help explain these tense times. Old theories, like motivated reasoning, are more clearly true than ever before. And new work has confirmed that humanity still contains its same base instincts of the prehistoric era.
    I find #2 particularly amusing.

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    When the problem is about nonpolitical issues — like figuring out the whether a drug is effective — people tend to use their math skills to solve it. But when they’re evaluating something political — let’s say, the effectiveness of gun control measures — the trend is that the better participants are at math, the more partisan they are in their responses.

    “Partisans with weak math skills were 25 percentage points likelier to get the answer right when it fit their ideology,” Ezra Klein explained in a profile of Kahan’s work. “Partisans with strong math skills were 45 percentage points likelier to get the answer right when it fit their ideology. The smarter the person is, the dumber politics can make them.”

    And it’s not just for math problems: Kahan finds that Republicans who have higher levels of science knowledge are more stubborn when it comes to questions on climate change. The pattern is consistent: The more information we have, the more we bend it to serve our political aims. That’s why the current debate over “fake news” is a bit misguided: It’s not the case that if only people had perfectly true information, everyone would suddenly agree.
    Don't know anybody like that round these parts, no sir.

    This one is one I've been harping on for ages:

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    The thing is, we often don’t realize that people have moral foundations different than our own.

    When we engage in political debates, we all tend to overrate the power of arguments we find personally convincing — and wrongly think the other side will be swayed.

    On gun control, for instance, liberals are persuaded by stats like, "No other developed country in the world has nearly the same rate of gun violence as does America." And they think other people will find this compelling, too.

    Conservatives, meanwhile, often go to this formulation: "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

    What both sides fail to understand is that they're arguing a point that their opponents may be inherently deaf to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
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    Don't know anybody like that round these parts, no sir.
    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
    Did he mean you? That was not apparent to me. I mean you're a stubborn cuss, but there are a lot of stubborn cusses around here. KC is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
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    Did he mean you? That was not apparent to me. I mean you're a stubborn cuss, but there are a lot of stubborn cusses around here. KC is one of them.
    Conservative, scientifically literate, and most likely here to challenge statements about climate change. Hums like an alpaca....
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Conservative, scientifically literate, and most likely here to challenge statements about climate change. Hums like an alpaca....
    Sure I just assumed it was vox and they "conveniently" left out the obvious corollary - democrats who have higher levels of science knowledge are more stubborn when it comes to questions on climate change too. Because they said "[W]hen they’re evaluating something political ...the trend is that the better participants are at math, the more partisan they are in their responses."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Hums like an alpaca....
    You gave me a bit of a start, there, because I initially read that as "hung like an alpaca", and thought that was rather more, um, personally revealing than is normally your nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
    That is dishonest as you say many things about global warming.


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    No, they won't. Dude, it averages well below freezing year round at the poles. Ice doesn't melt at few degrees higher than well below zero.

    Also, there isn't some magical amount of CO2 in the ice caps.

    You're right, it isn't linear, but that's because it logarithmic. Base response from a doubling of CO2 is about 1 degree. That means that for another degree of warming from CO2, it has to double from tight now. For another past that, it has to double keep again.

    Now, you may be imagining a high knock-on effect, but the IPCC has that as unlikely and the consensus of recent research is settling into the <3 degrees per doubling. That's not catastrophic.

    And, finally, the point at which the planet had the highest biodiversity ever, the average temperature was 10-15 degrees warmer than now. Yes, that world looks different from ours, but it's certainly not a desolate wasteland. Earth's ecosystem is delicate compared to what the universe can do. It's not terribly delicate to warming.


    Heh, sure.
    Instead of out right denying global warming you try to present it as something unimportant. It is like saying "cigarettes are bad, but they really aren't that bad. And all those cancers they are supposed to be the cause, it is all exagerated". It is the equivalent of denying, just with more circumvolutions and what you like to pass as scientific arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palaralae View Post
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    You gave me a bit of a start, there, because I initially read that as "hung like an alpaca", and thought that was rather more, um, personally revealing than is normally your nature.
    I still wouldn't feel that to be all that revealing: I don't know how alpacas are hung. And I'm sure as hell not Googling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BowlingGreen View Post
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    I still wouldn't feel that to be all that revealing: I don't know how alpacas are hung. And I'm sure as hell not Googling it.
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    Y'all have some weird interests.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Y'all have some weird interests.
    If it can be found, it can be googled.
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