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    Another interesting article on partisanship and psychology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox
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    More than ever before, people of different ideological backgrounds seem to live in separate universes. One example: In the days after the inauguration, social scientists showed participants photos of Trump’s inaugural crowd and Obama’s. Those who had voted for Trump were more likely to say Trump had the larger turnout, despite obvious differences in the photos that demonstrated otherwise.

    Psychology can help explain these tense times. Old theories, like motivated reasoning, are more clearly true than ever before. And new work has confirmed that humanity still contains its same base instincts of the prehistoric era.
    I find #2 particularly amusing.

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    When the problem is about nonpolitical issues — like figuring out the whether a drug is effective — people tend to use their math skills to solve it. But when they’re evaluating something political — let’s say, the effectiveness of gun control measures — the trend is that the better participants are at math, the more partisan they are in their responses.

    “Partisans with weak math skills were 25 percentage points likelier to get the answer right when it fit their ideology,” Ezra Klein explained in a profile of Kahan’s work. “Partisans with strong math skills were 45 percentage points likelier to get the answer right when it fit their ideology. The smarter the person is, the dumber politics can make them.”

    And it’s not just for math problems: Kahan finds that Republicans who have higher levels of science knowledge are more stubborn when it comes to questions on climate change. The pattern is consistent: The more information we have, the more we bend it to serve our political aims. That’s why the current debate over “fake news” is a bit misguided: It’s not the case that if only people had perfectly true information, everyone would suddenly agree.
    Don't know anybody like that round these parts, no sir.

    This one is one I've been harping on for ages:

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    The thing is, we often don’t realize that people have moral foundations different than our own.

    When we engage in political debates, we all tend to overrate the power of arguments we find personally convincing — and wrongly think the other side will be swayed.

    On gun control, for instance, liberals are persuaded by stats like, "No other developed country in the world has nearly the same rate of gun violence as does America." And they think other people will find this compelling, too.

    Conservatives, meanwhile, often go to this formulation: "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

    What both sides fail to understand is that they're arguing a point that their opponents may be inherently deaf to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
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    Don't know anybody like that round these parts, no sir.
    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
    Did he mean you? That was not apparent to me. I mean you're a stubborn cuss, but there are a lot of stubborn cusses around here. KC is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
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    Did he mean you? That was not apparent to me. I mean you're a stubborn cuss, but there are a lot of stubborn cusses around here. KC is one of them.
    Conservative, scientifically literate, and most likely here to challenge statements about climate change. Hums like an alpaca....
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Conservative, scientifically literate, and most likely here to challenge statements about climate change. Hums like an alpaca....
    Sure I just assumed it was vox and they "conveniently" left out the obvious corollary - democrats who have higher levels of science knowledge are more stubborn when it comes to questions on climate change too. Because they said "[W]hen they’re evaluating something political ...the trend is that the better participants are at math, the more partisan they are in their responses."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Hums like an alpaca....
    You gave me a bit of a start, there, because I initially read that as "hung like an alpaca", and thought that was rather more, um, personally revealing than is normally your nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    You mean saying that warming is happening, CO2 is a cause, man had a stockist impact on the warming, and having a position that's entirely within the consensus, yeah, I guess that's serious political bias affecting things.
    That is dishonest as you say many things about global warming.


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    No, they won't. Dude, it averages well below freezing year round at the poles. Ice doesn't melt at few degrees higher than well below zero.

    Also, there isn't some magical amount of CO2 in the ice caps.

    You're right, it isn't linear, but that's because it logarithmic. Base response from a doubling of CO2 is about 1 degree. That means that for another degree of warming from CO2, it has to double from tight now. For another past that, it has to double keep again.

    Now, you may be imagining a high knock-on effect, but the IPCC has that as unlikely and the consensus of recent research is settling into the <3 degrees per doubling. That's not catastrophic.

    And, finally, the point at which the planet had the highest biodiversity ever, the average temperature was 10-15 degrees warmer than now. Yes, that world looks different from ours, but it's certainly not a desolate wasteland. Earth's ecosystem is delicate compared to what the universe can do. It's not terribly delicate to warming.


    Heh, sure.
    Instead of out right denying global warming you try to present it as something unimportant. It is like saying "cigarettes are bad, but they really aren't that bad. And all those cancers they are supposed to be the cause, it is all exagerated". It is the equivalent of denying, just with more circumvolutions and what you like to pass as scientific arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palaralae View Post
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    You gave me a bit of a start, there, because I initially read that as "hung like an alpaca", and thought that was rather more, um, personally revealing than is normally your nature.
    I still wouldn't feel that to be all that revealing: I don't know how alpacas are hung. And I'm sure as hell not Googling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BowlingGreen View Post
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    I still wouldn't feel that to be all that revealing: I don't know how alpacas are hung. And I'm sure as hell not Googling it.
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    Y'all have some weird interests.
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    I think ovi's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    Y'all have some weird interests.
    If it can be found, it can be googled.
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    DOP DnD on twitter. Hillarious.

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    -There is no evil. Only alt-good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yablo View Post
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    DOP DnD on twitter. Hillarious.

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    Republican Congress person says we must pass this bill to found out what is in it. I love irony. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...l-nancy-pelosi
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    A Republican politician who was defending a new abortion bill claimed rape and incest could all be part of God’s will.



    Oklahoma representative George Faught also said “the Lord uses all circumstances” while debating the amendment in the US state’s House of Representatives.
    The bill would impose fines of $10,000, rising to $100,000, for any person who performs an abortion solely because of a diagnosis of Down’s syndrome or any other “genetic abnormality”.




    “Is rape the will of God?” asked Rep. Cory Williams.
    Mr Faught replied: “If you read the Bible, there’s actually a couple circumstances where that happened and the Lord uses all circumstances.
    “I mean, you can go down that path, but it’s a reality, unfortunately.”
    When Mr Williams pushed him on whether both rape and incest were the will of God, Mr Faught followed up: “It’s a great question to ask, and, obviously if it happens in someone’s life, it may not be the best thing that ever happened. But, so you’re saying that God is not sovereign with every activity that happens in someone’s life and can’t use anything and everything in someone’s life, and I disagree with that.”

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    WOW. Just...wow. I can't even.


    This is why I get so angry at some of these fuckwit shitstains that claim to be "Christians", especially those in politics; I hereby present Exhibit #275.


    I did some looking into sources just to make sure his comments weren't taken out of context or something, but no...this guy doubled down on the mind-bogglingly misogynistic comments and way of thinking.


    I hope this guy gets ass-raped in a dirty alley and contracts some horrible disease. Because that would be God's will, right? I'm sure that shit happened in Sodom and Gommorah, right? I bet if he reads the Bible and prays hard enough, he'll find some beauty in those ashes. Fuck, I swear people like this make me want to pound the stupid out of them with a fucking lead pipe. Wait, no...that causes too much damage too quickly.... how about a nice, soft, pine 2X4, instead?

    There needs to be a clip of the scene from the Game of Thrones episode where Drogon rescues Dany from the mob of Sons of the Harpy assassins in the fighting arena, and picks up that one guy in his jaws, shaking him like a terrier shakes a rat. That pretty much sums up what I'd love to see visited upon this guy.
    I know the rain like the clouds know the sky
    I speak to birds and tell them where to fly
    I sing the songs that you hear on the breeze
    I write the names of the rocks and the trees

    I tried to warn you when you were a child
    I told you not to get lost in the wild
    I sent omens and all kinds of signs
    I taught you melodies, poems, and rhymes

    Oh, you fool
    there are rules
    I am coming for you
    You can run, but you can't be saved

    Darkness brings evil things
    oh, the reckoning begins
    You have opened the yawning grave

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