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    Quote Originally Posted by cyphersmith View Post
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    Prioritization is different from preference. Getting rid of net neutrality will allow your ISP to choose to prefer its content over Netflix unless Netflix pays a stupid amount of money. This is increasing the cost that customers pay without actually giving them better service. It will increase the cost that Netflix pays, which will get passed on to their customers. The same would be true of every streaming service, truthfully every website. And it would significantly increase the cost of entry for any internet based business. Which is bad for business. Anything that increases the cost of entry into business will decrease competition. This is the reason that utilities are regulated as they are. They naturally gravitate to being monopolies due to the high cost of entry into the business. The same is true of ISPs, and they should be regulated the same way.
    But this isn't happening without Net Neutrality, so no, no new government oversight (which has it's own costs that get passed to consumers and it's own rigid and slow changing rules that cannot possibly keep up with technology) based on 'but they might misbehave!'

    And, if your ISP cannot give Netflix priority, then your steam will now vie with bunny's torrent for priority -- you'll buffer so he can dl in a timely manner his illegal pirated copy of the movie you're trying to watch and paying for. THAT's what Net Neutrality gives you: poorer service to protect you from bad things that may happen.

    And, as of right now, the current regulations allow ISPs to proliferate. I have more ways to possibly get on the internet right now than I ever did, and it's getting easier to find new ISPs, so this isn't happening. The regulations on wire sharing make this happen without Net Neutrality, so this is a benefit NN is trying to claim that already exists. Actual close regulation of utilities resulted in monopolies, or do you not remember Ma Bell? Do you not only have one electric company to buy power from in your area? THAT's regulation of utilities -- state approved monopolies with no incentive to improve your service, just meet the letter of the regulation they've monopolized. And who has leverage with the regulators, who has the money and understands the issues to lobby for regulation changes that benefit them? That's right, those state-approved, well-regulated monopolies that don't have to compete for your business. You're pitching a pipe dream to correct problems that don't exist with a solution that actually shits on you. Keep it.
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    I think ovi's right.

 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovinomancer View Post
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    But this isn't happening without Net Neutrality, so no, no new government oversight (which has it's own costs that get passed to consumers and it's own rigid and slow changing rules that cannot possibly keep up with technology) based on 'but they might misbehave!'
    It's not new now, and it wasn't based on 'but they might misbehave'. It was based on 'they're starting to misbehave, we should stop that.'

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    And, if your ISP cannot give Netflix priority, then your steam will now vie with bunny's torrent for priority -- you'll buffer so he can dl in a timely manner his illegal pirated copy of the movie you're trying to watch and paying for. THAT's what Net Neutrality gives you: poorer service to protect you from bad things that may happen.
    You don't seem to understand the difference between preference and priority. Streaming video traffic looks different than torrents and other traffic. It can be given priority without caring where it's coming from. However, if you give preference to your own streaming traffic over other streaming traffic unless that specific company pays extra for preference, then I have a problem with that. It causes an artificial barrier to entrance.

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    And, as of right now, the current regulations allow ISPs to proliferate. I have more ways to possibly get on the internet right now than I ever did, and it's getting easier to find new ISPs, so this isn't happening. The regulations on wire sharing make this happen without Net Neutrality, so this is a benefit NN is trying to claim that already exists. Actual close regulation of utilities resulted in monopolies, or do you not remember Ma Bell? Do you not only have one electric company to buy power from in your area? THAT's regulation of utilities -- state approved monopolies with no incentive to improve your service, just meet the letter of the regulation they've monopolized. And who has leverage with the regulators, who has the money and understands the issues to lobby for regulation changes that benefit them? That's right, those state-approved, well-regulated monopolies that don't have to compete for your business. You're pitching a pipe dream to correct problems that don't exist with a solution that actually shits on you. Keep it.
    I remember Ma Bell. And the only reason it stayed around as long as it did are the wire sharing regulations you mentioned, those regulations are the compromise made decades ago that allowed Ma Bell to remain together. By the way, many of the Baby Bells have since disappeared and are back together. Those wire sharing regulations are the equivalent of Net Neutrality.

    That proliferation of ISPs is recent, really getting off the ground around the time that Net Neutrality was enacted. Of course, correlation isn't necessarily causation. But it is interesting.

    Aside from electronic utilities, where you can identify specifically which customers are getting your service, how do you have multiple utility vendors? Can you tell which power company is supplying your electricity? No, that's ridiculous unless each power company has its own line into your house. Same with water, sewer and gas. It's not true of phone, cable or internet. But those latter three do need wire sharing regulations.

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    OnePlus phones may get you killed:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40656034
    The Chinese phonemaker promotes itself as a company that sells high-end smartphones at low prices. Its latest device, the OnePlus 5, was released in June.

    On Tuesday, Reddit user Seattle_Horn posted: "I had to dial 911 on my OnePlus 5 yesterday (saw a building on fire a few blocks away) and both times I tried my phone rebooted on me."

    Several contributors added that they had experienced the same problem before or had been able to replicate it.

    Some said they would return their phones to the company because the glitch could "cost lives".

    OnePlus said in a statement "We have been in touch with the customer and have tested a software update that has resolved the issue.

    "We will be rolling out the software update shortly."

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